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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,507 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Older guy with the glasses is asking some great questions i.e. along the lines of "what the hell was even the point of the invasion?".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,161 ✭✭✭relax carry on


    So is Boris comprised himself or is it just there's so much Russian money in London that he can't enforce stronger sanctions without damaging the UK economy even more after the self inflicted disaster of Brexit?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    If that's how annoyed they are at the propaganda figures, I can only imagine how pissed they'll be when the hear the actual losses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭secman


    Hopefully the other delegates laugh hysterically when they hear that joke , except it's a sick joke unfortunately ☹️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    raging i wont be getting my hands on the new model of the below


    Dundalk, Co. Louth



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  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Any finance types understand the currency markets? Every day this week the ruble spikes about 30% when US markets open, before dropping again very quickly. Is this a Russian central bank defibrillator on a dead currency?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Looks like Three mobile are going to pull their sponsorship of Chelsea too .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    'the hope dies last' ('Die Hoffnung stirbt zuletzt'). each day they are hopeful

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Apparently they scrubbed information from the State Dept website too. There was a long lecture article pooh poohing it all in Foreign Policy a few days before the Nuland-Rubio exchange. Not entirely convincing, TBH. Didn't deny the existence of the labs, but offers reasonable explanations for their existence and activities, IMO. Notably more ink was spent debunking the theory than talking about the labs.

    Basically amounts to "he said, she said" though and who you choose to trust. What concerns me is if the labs are all Level 1-2 except for one Level 3, why are they so concerned about the materials contained therein? The Russians know how to handle such materials. Is it conceiveable that one or more of these labs was doing things it shouldn't been doing? The Russians could put something in there and then go 'a ha look what we found!' We'll probably never know. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯



  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    How so? By not accepting the nonsense peddled by Lavrov et al? What do you propose we do instead, declare that we are impartial and both sides have good and bad points?



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Their eastern provinces are lost. They've been fought over back and forth for the last ten years, on top of a sectarian emnity brewing for decades. The Ukrainians tried to keep it and viciously with it, but failed, or at least stalemated. The Russians took it just as viciously. Personally I'd leave them with it and rehome those who wanted to be Ukrainain. It's a shítshow, leave it to putin. He'll come to regret it, as will those who don't want to be Ukrainian. Crimea is also game over. Lost to Russia and not coming back any time soon

    As for Ukraine itself? NATO's offer of membership has a long waiting time and was more political than actual. EU membership ditto, but that is a less bitter pill that the Kremlin will have to swallow, as it's also down the line, so they can spin that to their subjects more easily. Before this war it was even further down the line. Ukraine was an economically stunted ex Soviet corrupt little nation on the edge of Europe with some dodgy politics and a civil war going on, where they weren't covered in glory either, and yes they had a fascist problem. That's undeniable unless we're drinking the blue and yellow avatar Kool Aid. It was reduced in the last decade, but it is still there. That needs to be excised like the tumour it is and by Ukrainians. And well the majority of Ukrainians know it and I firmly believe want it. Their dwindling political support shows this.

    Ukraine now has enormous worldwide attention, support and good faith, when a couple of months ago it was "where?" for many, if not most. Now Twitter is lit up with newly minted geopolitical commentators on Ukraine and the toos and fros of their recent past. That support and good faith will rebuild that nation and keep a beady eye on any corruption or nazi shenanigans or support will surely slacken. This war horror will be the making of that nation in time, but like all births it will be and is proving to be terribly painful and bloody. In many ways I would see this as their "civil war", that terrible birth pang of many nations. But it will come out of this better and with a lot more practical, political and economic help than before and a much renewed sense of nationhood.

    And yep Russia won't negotiate in good faith, but they'll have to negotiate in practical terms. There's no coming back now as things stand. The Bear may have arisen, but in the eyes of the world and soon enough her own people it has proved to be arthritic, slow witted and out of date and the world's politics and banks and corporations and public opinion have kicked it hard in the soft parts. Stick a fork in Russia, it's done. Fúcked, until Putin and his like are a memory. And they know it. The jig is up and their autocrats are on the back foot and that's the greatest leverage against them. More than any anti tank rocket or bullet that unlike their cannon fodder conscripts they know they'll never have to face.

    My 2cents anyway.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    They're all practical efforts, changing a road name isn't. EDIT Ireland sending our peacekeeping forces to Poland with humanitarian and medical aid etc would be a far better use of our resources(never mind some of our bloated NGO's) and actually useful to the crisis unfolding. Changing a streetname is petty windowdressing. Makes Joe Duffy listemers and the rent-a-mob happy, but little else.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭shillyshilly


    I dunno.. the PC-9's are looking more and more like a credible threat to Russian forces by the day



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    And most of that other than keeping the weapons coming is about as workable and dangerous as a NATO no fly zone. They sound like great ideas, but that's all they are. The Ukrainians have pretty much zero hope of retaking Crimea and Donbas, not without overt western help, and that's not going to happen unless the Americans have hacked their nuclear deterrent and shut it down. Ukrainians are in a fight to the death for their major cities against much larger forces that as we have seen care little about casualities, including their own. The very notion of a counterattack at this stage is in the realms of fantasy and wishful thinking. IMHO this war will not be won by bullets and missiles, on either side. It'll be won beyond the Ukrainian nation by sanctions, those weapons and Russia seeing their goose is cooked on all sides and internally and that's already in play.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,063 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Maybe - he's been planning this for years - I think covid "ending " followed by an energy crunch was his signal to go ... Maybe if covid hadn't happened he'd have gone earlier ..

    Another Trump regieme could have been a god send - he wasn't the most unifying of figure in NATO terms ...

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    "Airbus Defence" producing Stingers in Germany

    Go figure



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    We don't believe any Russian propaganda, thanks. If it comes from Russian I just assume it is lies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,252 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Takes a war for Tory commentators to turn on their own in the UK




  • Posts: 1,175 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Oooh these fellas will have to enter the battlefield now.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Breaking:

    Azov Battalion took over maternity hospital in Mariupol yesterday as a command and control centre so Russia bombed it.



    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,880 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Comments are interesting if you translate, they seem annoyed the Ukranians are defending their residential areas from within their own city, did they want to fight on some battlefield somewhere?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Yet another nail in Putin and Russia's coffin. They will never be able to get leasing agreements again(or insurance), and not just on airliners. Never mind that without spares and certifications those aircraft will be essentially worthless in a matter of months. Expensive scrap. That's a sure sign of Russian desperation, that may comfort some of their internal support, but they're now setting fire to their house in an effort to stay warm.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    Assuming the vid is accurate, civilian infrastructure becomes a legitimate target when it's being used for military purposes, as per international law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11




  • Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    And that too is dangerous.

    We seem to eat up everything that has a pro-ukrainian slant as gospel or "good propaganda" whereas everything coming from Russia is automatically false and "bad propaganda".

    This was my issue with banning all russian news etc. Of course most of it is bullshit and disgustingly false, but don't try to make it hard for me to hear what the other side are saying.

    It's totally sensible, especially after the last decades worth of proof that western news media can't be wholly trusted, that people should be questioning everything they hear, but when all I hear is so blatantly pro-ukrainian, that's all I have to question.

    It's an own goal to try and stifle other news outlets when quite frankly, none can be trusted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭shillyshilly


    need to brush up on the Nunn-Lugar treaty work.... there are still active programs in Ukraine, Uzbekistan, Georgia (Kazakhstan?) ...

    Basically when the USSR fell, a lot of Nuclear and Biological labs suddenly found themselves outside of Russia....

    While the dust settled on the new nations, treaties were drawn up to safely remove, reduce, or convert the labs...

    Russia pulled this stunt during the Georgia conflict also (it's amazing how short people's memories are) accusing the west of collaboration in the development of chemical weapons in the region...

    If the State Dept pulled the mention of it, you could find a cache of it quite easily (if what you say is true).

    They recently destroyed a load of weapons grade anthrax from the Uzbek labs under this treaty...


    Fun fact, a spin off from this treaty was the Budapest agreement in 1994, which the US, UK, China and Russia signed up to (also partially France in a separate agreement)... which guaranteed Ukraine's sovereign state and boarder in return for getting rid of the worlds 3rd largest nuclear stockpile....

    Funny that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    First of all, you have no idea if these are azov or regular troops. Second, they are Ukrainian, this is their land, they can be wherever they see fit to defend their nation. Do you want them to stay out in the fields, where it will be safe?

    Show us where the Russian trips are. Sure as **** they are not in Russia!

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,964 ✭✭✭CrabRevolution


    Why bother citing "international law" when it clearly means nothing to the Russians?



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