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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,378 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    I don't think he is mad, he is clearly highly intelligent....but he is I genuinely believe a psychopath.

    I never suggested taking him out would be easy did I? But I still think he either steps down or is taken out eventually.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    You mean the nuclear weapon which Ukraine were secretly building in Kiev and which they themselves rigged in order to blame Russia?

    I'm not sure what could destroy him at home if Russia being cut off from the rest of the world doesn't do it quite honestly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


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    putin might go big or go home and used the Tzar Bomba on Kyiv


    Dundalk, Co. Louth



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    Sure, that's a possible and likely possibility.

    But Putin may just want to go down in flames, to hell with everyone and everything - including the EU and NATO.

    Remember, this evil operation against Ukraine isn't just Putin; it's also his core Generals - all of whom are implicated.

    These people are madmen; and would have no problem watching the world go up in flames because they have nothing to lose - except their ego.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,408 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    So, where is Putin? Is he at his palace near the black sea or some bunker under Moscow?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,106 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,273 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Apropos of the bogus "biological weapons", the US Govt says it suspects the Russians could launch such an attack themselves and try and blame it on the Ukrainians.

    https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/1501676240180322311



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,338 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Anything is possible but your scenario is extremely unlikely. Extremely unlikely. Bit silly really. He might as well shoot himself in the head.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,378 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    I'd say he is rattling about in his tacky palace pining for his ex gymnast girlfriend (and the 4 kids) who are hiding out in Switzerland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    The most reasonable suggestion I've heard so far is that the convoy is essentially Russia's main operating base for the Kyiv region. They have centralised stores of fuel, ammunition, and supplies; protected by less mobile air defences which couldn't effectively cover a rapidly moving convoy otherwise.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,839 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre




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    Right.

    And in the months of build-up toward this disgusting invasion of Ukraine, people said that Russia/Putin wouldn't do it.

    They did.

    And crossed a red line, and Putin knows it.

    The idea that Putin can go back to G8 meetings and so forth, is absurd.

    Putin knows exactly what he's doing, and this act of invading Ukraine is just the beginning of a wider European War, and potentially, nuclear war.

    He's a sick man.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,378 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    I see 3M are latest to suspend business in Russia.

    Others who did similar today, Nestle as well as tobacco brands Philip Morris and Imperial Brands



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,430 ✭✭✭circadian


    Given the amount of corruption with Generals and high ranking officers selling fuel and equipment over the years then no, I get the feeling they're a bunch of sycophants that told Putin what he wanted to hear while thinking he'd never want to try and take the entire country. Now they've been exposed for their corruption, Putin has been exposed for surrounding himself with yes men and people who just shouldn't be advising anyone and a bunch of oligarchs wondering why this 3 day special operation to secure them more oil and gas has started to cost them dearly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    interesting suggestion, like when a colony of army ants are on the move and the queen is always covered and protected, the colony can even float like a vessel until they reach solid ground

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,378 ✭✭✭✭gmisk




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,586 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    I would seriously expect that his whereabouts are known to various intelligence agencies and I also expect that the only chance Russia has of regaining acceptance into the civilised world is for putin to be either killed or locked up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭joe40


    Isn't it a terrible pity that nuclear weapons were ever developed in the first place. Is there a better example of human folly?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,430 ✭✭✭circadian




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,338 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    You are just rambling now.

    You said "It's entirely possible - and actually, quite reasonable - that Putin has decided that a "tactical" nuclear strike against Ukraine would be warranted, perhaps with a small missile, perhaps targeting Kiev."

    Tell me more about this quaint little tactical nuke and what impact it would have.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,378 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    "People" might have said he wouldn't do it...but most of the intelligence said he would. The US indicated it would happen pretty well before it did.

    He might have thought he could roll over into Europe...but either way Ukraine have stopped that for now imo...be clearly didn't expect the resistance and the fact other countries would rally when it came to supplies military and otherwise



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    And it goes back to what Winston Churchill said, that the idea of "MAD" is worthless in the context of "a Madman" having the power to deploy these kinds of weapons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,014 ✭✭✭✭briany


    @wylo

    This invasion was not a moment of madness, there was a build up, a long one, in hindsight it looks like this was being planned for 2 years. It has gone horrible for him, he probably thought it would be at worst a slightly tougher version of Crimea.

    "I'll invade an entire country - a large European country at that, right on the edge of the EU, with aspirations to join the EU and NATO.... and that'll be... kind of fine?" - Vova

    I have a hard time believing he thought in a million years that he could invade Ukraine without massive international blowback. If he really did think that then he is either delusional or would want to sack his advisors forthwith.

    It would have to be the most spectacular military intelligence failure of the 21st century to think that going into the whole of Ukraine wouldn't be anything more than a tougher version of Crimea. All they'd have to do would be to watch Ukrainian TV and check Ukrainian twitter to get a sense that there wasn't an overwhelming pro-Russian feeling in the country. And they'd surely have people reporting from inside the country to get a feel of what the mood is on the ground. And they wouldn't have been particularly unaware that Ukraine was building its military. There's no intelligence Russia could have been gathering which would suggest that Ukraine would be 'easy'.

    And what's more insane is the timing. I find that one really bizarre. The time to go into Ukraine would surely have been in 2018 or 2019 around the time Zelenskyy rose to power and cut that off for a start, and, very, very crucially, Trump was still POTUS, which would have been a better bet of a fragmented response from the West. Weird to wait until a pretty normal U.S. president was back in office, following a fairly orthodox anti-Russia line.



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    The concern I have is that I’m seeing is he’s in an unwinable war and has relatively poor conventional weapons and an army that isn’t living up to its reputation.

    He’s behaving like a psychopath, so I would think a “shock and awe” attack isn’t inconceivable nor is it something that military strategists would consider unusual.

    I’m still not really seeing where the off ramp is though. Russia doesn’t seem to be likely to back down. They are destroying themselves in this but they’re just ploughing on anyway.

    We also need to make it clear to the Russian people (not the Russian government) that there is an off ramp and a way back. I am concerned about a nothing to lose, fatalistic type end to this that will result in cult like support for Putin.

    They need to know what is being done in their name. So cutting through the domestic propaganda is absolutely vital.

    I honestly can’t see Putin being able to maintain a North Korean style country in Russia. He’s become a Russian domestic institution and holds huge power but it’s way too complicated and expectations are far too high for him to continue this for all that much longer. There’ll come a point …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,106 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly



    All we need now is for them to run out of vodka and we have them where we need them



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    Didn't I already explain the twin benefits for Russia?

    Putin can, a la Hitler, claim that economic sanctions are the reason why the Russian economy are suffering. Why wouldn't he? It would eat into his claim that the "real problem" for Russia is the West and the EU. Of course he'd say this kind of nonsense.

    At the same time, Putin is falling behind in Ukraine. What better way to combat both problems to deploy a small, tactical nuclear warhead (as stated by Russia as eligible in a "conventional" war) to subjugate Ukraine; to "escalate to de-escalate"; and to show the West that Russia is very serious about using these kinds of warhead to achieve its political ambitions.

    You can call this "rambling" all you wish.

    But the clear trajectory of travel is precisely what we are seeing, as much as I'd prefer to be wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,378 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Well it's the last place anyone would be looking for him :)

    I can't see the US sending in an elite squad of killer drag queens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 665 ✭✭✭goldenmick


    Putin is such a unique love child. We should have seen this coming.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,444 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Is there anyone in the Kremlin who would do the world a favour and arrange an "accident" for Putin?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,378 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Let's hope he ends up the same way as either of those two @rseholes.

    Captured hiding down a hole with a mars bar (probably the last one in Russia if they pull out too) would be fun.



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