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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,549 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Spot on sadly.

    The b*stard holds all the cards and is acting with impunity already and the more desperate he gets the more likely he is to use a tactical nuclear weapon.

    The problem for him is that every possible screw would be turned in retaliation bar open warfare from the west and the "this is a liberation mission" rhetoric he's been selling to the Russian people would be rendered null and void at that point and he'd likely have his head on a pike the day after he used a tactical nuke.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Biological weapons evidence the Russians found today seems to be a prelude to give Putin the moral clause to send in a nuclear missile into Kiyv and take out all his enemies at once, this will probably occur shortly after peace talks break down tomorrow, he has kept troops out of Kiyv by enacting an operational pause, many believed the 40 mile convoy got bogged down but I didnt, its tactical

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,586 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Because Poland has been f****d around by just about everybody in its history. Germany invaded and pillaged as did Russia. It has been screwed and let down by east and west. BTW it is currently playing a blinder in helping Ukraine, a country that it would not have a terrific relationship with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,374 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,378 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    What you have described is the opposite of holding all the cards.....

    It's someone desperate who will you think (I don't) to mix metaphors possibly attempt a final throw of the dice in a desperate attempt to "win" employ the use of nukes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 661 ✭✭✭Annabella1


    Destroying a maternity / paediatric hospital

    pictures are horrific

    animals



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,106 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Some people really need to keep up with the news instead of reposting hours behind and days behind news here like it's breaking



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,273 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It would surely destroy him at home as well. Even the Russian public would be beyond appalled at him dropping a nuclear weapon on their next door neighbour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭Botrys



    Surely the more desperate he gets the more dangerous he becomes.

    I'd be more worried about some radioactive disaster from one of the nuclear power plants that he's been meddling with.

    done on purpose of course and then blamed on some Ukrainian counter attack.



    I suggest NATO declare war on Ukraine and just invade the country and occupy it to 'protect Europe' from some radioactive disaster

    Sorry Putin we mean you no harm, but you're just in the way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭deise08


    Apologies for only posting tweets, I wish I could contribute more constructively.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    And having failed (so far), Putin can rally the population behind him that "the West" is responsible for all their hardship (past and now present), as he has been saying for many years now, and exploit that as a means to aggravate for war against the West.

    I generally hate analogies with Nazi Germany and the post-WWI experience; but this is pretty similar.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Possibly, but and it's only IMHO, but if the Russians did that, literally game over for them economically and politically and internationally. The sanctions now would look like a birthday present* The Iron Curtain would go back up again whether they wanted it or not. The Chinese would back right off and there's no love lost there anyway and the West's custom is worth far more to them anyway. No imports nor exports. Very limited or no Russians beyond their borders. No economic exchange of any sort. Markets and movements closed. Lockdown, like they did with East Berlin back in the day, so some karma there. A pariah that would make look North Korea look like an honoured guest.



    *note how McDonalds closed their cafes, but kept staff on pay. Now that's decent, but the cynic in me thinks they're doing that just as much because they think the sanctions and war won't last so long and they want to keep their trained staff and keep them loyal for the comeback.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭Poorside


    If he does that he may as well throw himself into the nearest river, Kiev is a city held dear by a lot of Russians and those in the Balkan States. He knows he has to take Kiev without damaging it and that's a massive problem for him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve




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    Do you seriously think Putin cares about what Russians think? Look at what he's doing to protestors and the democratic fabric of the country.

    Putin only cares about Putin - and his actions and legacy.

    Not even those closest to Putin knew about the "special military operation" / a.k.a. invasion, of Ukraine.

    This is one crazy guy doubling down on some maniacal interpretation of history.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,338 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I think this war will galvanise and create a sense of solidarity (excuse pun) amongst all the Eastern European countries. I always felt there were simmering tension between these countries since WW2. Obviously Poland fared very badly after Germany & Russian agree to carve it up. Other countries joined the Axis and sent their forces to fight the Russians alongside the Germans (e.g. Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria). They now have a common cause (help Ukraine) and a common active enemy.

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,549 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    He holds all the cards inasmuch as he knows there will be no direct intervention from the west because they're looking at him and wondering just how far the cheese has actually slid off of his cracker.

    He can launch a tactical nuke without fear of having ICBM's launched at Russia by NATO but doing so will likely result in the ground opening up beneath his feet which is the part I think he is too delusional to recognize.

    To clarify, he believes he is in control of the situation to the point where he could launch a tactical nuke but I don't think he's competent enough to recognize that while that may win him the battle for Kiev it would be his ultimate undoing.

    Glazers Out!



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There were no biological weapons found. The Ukrainians have bio labs, different thing.

    Also, deliberately running out of fuel as a tactical move, anyone who believes that is a muppet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,273 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Yes, talk of biological weapons in Ukraine is nonsense - it's coming solely from the pro-Putin propaganda machine.

    One analyst even predicted this last week, saying the Russian shysters would 'claim' they had discovered chemical or biological weapons inside Ukraine being readied for use to be dropped on Russia.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,378 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Even Hitler had popular support for a long time...the longer this goes on....the less he will have...and the more likely he will be overthrown/retired/taken out....it's how this kind of thing tends to play out eventually.

    The economic sanctions are biting, the Russian bodies are piling up (or being cremated), there will be a heave ho, he is pissing off a lot of very rich and powerful Russians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    Don't worry, there's still plenty more war to go for you to cheer on and get excited by all the loud bangs and fancy rockets. My apologies for being optimistic about peace talks and hoping for an end to this. I guess you 'win'. Well done. Maybe another hospital will get hit tomorrow *can't contain the excitement*



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭FarmerBrowne




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,378 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    There will be no direct intervention (but pretty much anything they can outside of that) until he invades a NATO country (I think he will be long gone before that) if he launches a nuke he is done and Russia will be isolated for decades.



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    I get that, but Putin - for all his faults - is pretty smart, and was the former head of the now FSB.

    He understands perfectly well the existence of threats against his authority; and has acted accordingly. The idea that Putin can be taken out easily is absurd.

    He's ridiculously protected; and he knows it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,214 ✭✭✭wylo


    I really don't think this is right on both counts (1. on Putin having decided that and 2. that NATO would not respond).

    Nuclear is the threat, and to be honest he didnt even directly threaten it. Once you lose the threat its game over, if he uses Nukes the entire world including China will come down on him.

    I think there is still that perception that Putin has lost his mind and is now suddenly capable of any kind of madness. Is he ruthless? Absolutely, was the war a serious miscalculation? Absolutely, but has he lost his mind and now him using nukes in Ukraine is a serious consideration, no way.

    This invasion was not a moment of madness, there was a build up, a long one, in hindsight it looks like this was being planned for 2 years. It has gone horrible for him, he probably thought it would be at worst a slightly tougher version of Crimea.

    I am not saying things could not escalate to that, but him using nukes without further escalation prior to it, no way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    I don't see how it's wrong for people, organisations, and companies to use whatever influence they might have to put pressure on Russia. I mean one of the pieces scheduled to be performed is literally celebrating Russia repelling Napoleon's invasion in the 19th century.

    Incidentally the concert is still going ahead; they're just changing the pieces which are to be performed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,378 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Last week tonight showed a segment on Russian TV aimed at kids explaining the "military operation"...genuinely insane



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,430 ✭✭✭circadian


    There would be an almost complete economic blockade if that were to happen, I couldn't see China condoning that behaviour either considering Russia is practically broke and not worth trying to trade with, especially after something like that. Very, very few countries would want to be seen dealing with them.


    Then there's the increased risk of guerilla and insurgency within Russia if this were to happen. You'd be certain domestic terrorism would start to take hold to overthrow the government and Belarus would probably be first to fall. I would have no doubts in Western Intelligence agencies assisting in this as well since they'd be considered a rogue state.


    The EU/NATO still don't have to get directly involved, he's already stretching it at home. A nuclear strike would certainly focus the minds of many, if that were to escalate any further then they could be next.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭KieferFan69


    A lot of waffle in this thread about nukes. No nukes will be fired by Russia. Would be good if discussion was focused around grim reality of war rather than posters’ individual fantasies.



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