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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,323 ✭✭✭Field east


    Would I be right in saying that under the USSR ideology that the vast majority of the working population get paid a wage from the profits of the state farms or equivalent that they work on . The ‘government’ , I assume ,takes its cut beforehand and ‘senior management get well paid for their ‘Trojan work they have . So the workers would be price takers and the rest would be price makers. Unions were not allowed

    If the above was the case then the oligarchs were alive and well under the USSR system . So Putin and the current oligarchs should not see any change if Putins wish comes true



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 578 ✭✭✭VillageIdiot71


    Nothing is being thought through at the minute. It's as if there some kind of post-pandemic mental trauma obstructing clear thought.

    I mean, what do we make of this nonsense? Be bonkers enough, and you'll get covered by a major news outlet.

    The makers of Call of Duty have a lot to answer for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 346 ✭✭redt0m


    Excuse my ignorance, but can someone educate me a bit please - why are all the empty green fields I see not normally full of wheat and grains and stuff like that? In other words, why does Ireland *need* to import 60% of its grain?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Sanctions will really cripple Russia and they can't hold a country of that size. His demands such as they are include the two new Dunbass regions and neutrality from Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,963 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes, he pretty much glossed over Ukrainians, living in a free and independent Country having any say in their future ....it was all about Russia and its "Rights". Which is a bit ironic when you think about the level of "Rights" they give not only to other Country's, but to their own citizens.

    Post edited by Beasty on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Estimates there are 20,000 foreigners traveling to Ukraine to fight (and assist), the real figure could be even higher

    Some are total idiots (I saw one in a news interview getting his application rejected), and some seem to be highly experienced (e.g. another interview was with a military paramedic with 10 years of war experience going to assist)



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    IIRC Ireland is great growing country, but not for wheat, not warm enough in the summer? So it's crap for making bread and stuff like that.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Indeed, am not a farmer, but if there's a shortage and the price of grain goes up I would expect many to start planting grain right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,366 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,619 ✭✭✭Talisman




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,998 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Perhaps the decision was a commercial one in that they feared people would buy so few tickets the event would lose them money.

    Post edited by cnocbui on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,014 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Here, I can understand you liking my post so much, you had to quote it five times, but it's totally unnecessary.

    Anyway, joking aside, yeah this is what I don't understand from commentators who are asking for a balanced view on things. I'm open to hear about what NATO/EU/the west in general are doing to pull Ukraine away from Russia's sphere of influence, but if you ignore what Russia are doing, or what Russia is, and how that is pushing Ukraine away.

    http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/page/72

    The last part of Putin's open letter from last Summer sums up his own position - Russia and Ukraine are spiritually one. They are brothers. But riven apart due to western meddling. I don't think he's for turning on that point.

    This is what is actually happening. First of all, we are facing the creation of a climate of fear in Ukrainian society, aggressive rhetoric, indulging neo-Nazis and militarising the country. Along with that we are witnessing not just complete dependence but direct external control, including the supervision of the Ukrainian authorities, security services and armed forces by foreign advisers, military ”development“ of the territory of Ukraine and deployment of NATO infrastructure. It is no coincidence that the aforementioned flagrant law on ”indigenous peoples“ was adopted under the cover of large-scale NATO exercises in Ukraine.

    This is also a disguise for the takeover of the rest of the Ukrainian economy and the exploitation of its natural resources. The sale of agricultural land is not far off, and it is obvious who will buy it up. From time to time, Ukraine is indeed given financial resources and loans, but under their own conditions and pursuing their own interests, with preferences and benefits for Western companies. By the way, who will pay these debts back? Apparently, it is assumed that this will have to be done not only by today's generation of Ukrainians but also by their children, grandchildren and probably great-grandchildren.

    The Western authors of the anti-Russia project set up the Ukrainian political system in such a way that presidents, members of parliament and ministers would change but the attitude of separation from and enmity with Russia would remain. Reaching peace was the main election slogan of the incumbent president. He came to power with this. The promises turned out to be lies. Nothing has changed. And in some ways the situation in Ukraine and around Donbas has even degenerated.

    In the anti-Russia project, there is no place either for a sovereign Ukraine or for the political forces that are trying to defend its real independence. Those who talk about reconciliation in Ukrainian society, about dialogue, about finding a way out of the current impasse are labelled as ”pro-Russian“ agents.

    Again, for many people in Ukraine, the anti-Russia project is simply unacceptable. And there are millions of such people. But they are not allowed to raise their heads. They have had their legal opportunity to defend their point of view in fact taken away from them. They are intimidated, driven underground. Not only are they persecuted for their convictions, for the spoken word, for the open expression of their position, but they are also killed. Murderers, as a rule, go unpunished.

    Today, the ”right“ patriot of Ukraine is only the one who hates Russia. Moreover, the entire Ukrainian statehood, as we understand it, is proposed to be further built exclusively on this idea. Hate and anger, as world history has repeatedly proved this, are a very shaky foundation for sovereignty, fraught with many serious risks and dire consequences.

    All the subterfuges associated with the anti-Russia project are clear to us. And we will never allow our historical territories and people close to us living there to be used against Russia. And to those who will undertake such an attempt, I would like to say that this way they will destroy their own country.

    The incumbent authorities in Ukraine like to refer to Western experience, seeing it as a model to follow. Just have a look at how Austria and Germany, the USA and Canada live next to each other. Close in ethnic composition, culture, in fact sharing one language, they remain sovereign states with their own interests, with their own foreign policy. But this does not prevent them from the closest integration or allied relations. They have very conditional, transparent borders. And when crossing them the citizens feel at home. They create families, study, work, do business. Incidentally, so do millions of those born in Ukraine who now live in Russia. We see them as our own close people.

    Russia is open to dialogue with Ukraine and ready to discuss the most complex issues. But it is important for us to understand that our partner is defending its national interests but not serving someone else's, and is not a tool in someone else's hands to fight against us.

    We respect the Ukrainian language and traditions. We respect Ukrainians' desire to see their country free, safe and prosperous.

    I am confident that true sovereignty of Ukraine is possible only in partnership with Russia. Our spiritual, human and civilizational ties formed for centuries and have their origins in the same sources, they have been hardened by common trials, achievements and victories. Our kinship has been transmitted from generation to generation. It is in the hearts and the memory of people living in modern Russia and Ukraine, in the blood ties that unite millions of our families. Together we have always been and will be many times stronger and more successful. For we are one people.

    Today, these words may be perceived by some people with hostility. They can be interpreted in many possible ways. Yet, many people will hear me. And I will say one thing – Russia has never been and will never be ”anti-Ukraine“. And what Ukraine will be – it is up to its citizens to decide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    which hotels around west Dublin will the new refugees be forced to endure?

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Interesting analysis here from a retired General




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    Nonsense. This is bordering on bigotry in my opinion. This war, as ugly as it is, does not define Russians.

    Hypothetically if the world took the side of the British during the 'troubles' and decided that the Irish state was complicit in atrocities....would you think it's justified that Seamus the fiddler banned from a gig in Sweden because of his government's decisions?

    Ostracising Russian citizens is not a way to win hearts and minds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 757 ✭✭✭generic_throwaway


    Well I guess their murder was justified if they were anything under 50. Great point, as usual.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,487 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    The climate in many parts of the country isn't warm/dry enough and the soil isn't suitable in some other parts.

    In areas which would be suitable, my understanding is that foreign imports are cheaper so it wasn't a viable business; I'm sure other who are more involved in the tillage side of things might be able to explain in better detail



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 509 ✭✭✭The HorsesMouth


    Its not as simple as that. We do not have the soil or weather conditions to grow enough grain for what this country requires. Plus there is about a 5 week window to get this done in which we have to ask farmers to cut out a percentage of their land for tillage (leaving a shortfall for their stock to graze and cut for feed during winter) prepare the soil, plough the land, sow the land and fertilise (of which there is already a shortage). So I would imagine its going to be an absolute impossible task.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    They're white, Christian and drink a lot. I think they'll integrate just fine. 😉



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,071 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Ireland's best crop is grass. If we were better at growing other things they would already be grown.

    Afaik Ireland doesn't have the climate for efficiently growing wheat that produces strong flour - the type used bread making.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,619 ✭✭✭Talisman


    2022-03-09-14.02.24.jpg

    Imagine waking up to the sight of that yoke coming through the ceiling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,071 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    No. Most non-tillage farmers don't have the equipment nor expertise to grow tillage crops.

    Existing tillage areas would increase their planting. However this is also countered by the ever increasing input costs too.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Grand for oats a barley though. We will survive on beer and porridge



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,998 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    "Just keep an open mind when you listen to Mearsheimer"

    His argument is wrongheaded.

    Mearsheimer lives next door to an aggressive MMA fighter. This guy tells him he wants him to paint his front door red, with a yellow hammer and sickle on it. Mearsheimer of course ignores him. He comes home a week later to find his front door broken open and his wife and kids mudered. The neighbour shouts across; "this is all your fault John, I told you to paint the F'n door."

    I somehow doubt that Mearsheimer would see it as his own fault.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    too wet. Watched Clarkson’s Farm last year and saw how rain ruins the crop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    Imagine the tip just parting your hair as it comes to a stop. I'd redecorate around it and keep it there for posterity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,641 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    Why would there be?, I felt that the Polish integrated very well here back in the day, I dont see why the Ukranians would be any different. Any east europeans in general I've worked with seem to integrate well.

    Have a weather station?, why not join the Ireland Weather Network - http://irelandweather.eu/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,458 ✭✭✭Ninthlife


    Dept of Agriculture has recommended that farmers grow more grain


    Ireland’s agriculture minister Charlie McConalogue told RTE that farmers, many dairy and beef producers, should consider growing grain this year. He said the country imports 60% of its grain.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,014 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Makes me think of that episode of the Young Ones where a big unexploded bomb crashed down into the kitchen. I used to think of that as a ridiculous premise to setup some madcap comedy. Not so much, these days.



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