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What are your thoughts on the fertiliser price s for 2022

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Easten


    When they print money they are basically wiping out your wealth and savings. The stock market bubble is due to the money printing. It's not great for savers or pension funds but at the end of the day there was a major shift in wealth over the last 30 odd years from the youth to the elderly. Printing money is beneficial for the young people but not so nice for the already screwed middle class poor who are getting a real raw deal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    Maize is a perfect balance for high protein grass silage. As is barley


    Ethanol production will not be curbed. Ask any yank would they prefer to forego cheap petrol to help feed Irish cows and 99% will probably answer..where’s Ireland?

    Likewise the Germans won’t forego maize to feed digesters to keep Irish cows fed.


    This war is the yanks wet dream…it keeps funding to the military industrial complex, strengthens NATO, and they get to fight Putin by proxy. Result!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,044 ✭✭✭roosterman71




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    Ah Alps, don’t be ridiculous!

    Barley is concentrated energy, energy that freshly calved cows need.

    You do feed ration with a high inclusion of barley or maize no?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    Btw, it’s very difficult to source fibrous ingredients for dairy feed atm. Soya hulls, beet pulp etc can’t be got.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,703 ✭✭✭Packrat


    I'd easily believe that. The quality of the sheep ration is gone to hell these last few weeks - brown dust with the odd nut through it.. It used to look like muesli before - you'd eat it your self.

    I gave up on it and bought nuts because the hoggets were leaving it after them.

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,577 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Majority of silage in Ireland won't be above 14% p. Maize 9 to 10. If its ground that can't be grazed or Perhaps if dedicated silage ground setting red clover and it may be an option but if its ground that can be grazed grass is probably the better bet. Good buffer with grazed grass but harvested too late in year for autumn. And then there's dealing with those dirty bastarding fcukers of crows it draws

    Was 1k an acre in to the pit here a few years ago, I imagine its well up now as well.

    If they want to go for it support those with the know how to do it, in the areas where a successful harvest is most likely. As grueller said above a lot of good ground not in production that can be brought in



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,288 ✭✭✭alps


    Cows will be fine on half what they usually get. The milk tank will be down, but no dairy farmer will go broke, or cows hungry due to a decrease in ration availability. Different matter if we run short of forage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,681 ✭✭✭morphy87


    What is nitrogen and 18.6.12 and cut award currently making? Going ordering some tomorrow



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭older by the day


    I got charged 765 for 18:6:12 and 830 for cut sward+s. Think it went up last Friday in the coop tho. That's on account. Might get a bit off when paying plus a bonus back next year



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14 Cows r us


    Dairygold putting on €15/ton tonight



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 695 ✭✭✭3 the square




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,446 ✭✭✭tanko


    CAN 700

    18 6 12 750

    Cut Sward 780

    Pasture Sward 800

    Slurry Balancer 750



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,328 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,446 ✭✭✭tanko


    I think it’s 24 2.2 4.5, not certain. Supposed to be ok to use if you get some slurry out on silage ground.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 984 ✭✭✭Still stihl waters 3


    That's frightening in fairness, not many will be able to stand that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,178 ✭✭✭kk.man




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 857 ✭✭✭Pinsnbushings


    It is but sure what can we do, thats an out farm that I don't spread slurry on so the 3 bags of cut sward will leave it way short of k, I couldn't get a price on 0 7 30 today. I've 5 euro a bale in there for haulage.

    With plastic gone up and a land charge added there won't be much change from 50 euro a bale no matter what way you look at it I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭DBK1


    Yea I was told by 1 supplier last week silotite is at €115 a roll at the minute and it’s expected to go higher.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 857 ✭✭✭Pinsnbushings


    The price rises are relentless, my vets gone up too, 2 standard enough call outs 300 euro...

    Output prices are reasonable and should hopefully rise too but will they match it who knows. Won't panic, no luxuries put the head down and see where we are next year.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,834 ✭✭✭Cavanjack


    Put on 3000 to the acre the other day. Going to go with urea towards the end of the month. Probably 1 1/2 bags to the acre.

    Used to always go with 3 bags of cut sward. So a saving of nearly €2500 by putting out urea (it’s a saving only if it works).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 741 ✭✭✭ABitofsense


    I've 1800/acre done Saturday and will be putting out 2 bags of Cutsward then end of month/early April. Similar enough to last year but aiming for earlier cut.

    I've alot of bales over so aiming to get what I need in one cut then put silage ground into grazing as early as possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,497 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Do lads ever look at the ingredients in rations. The ingredients are listed in order of quantity. You generally get an idea of the quality from that. By keeping or photographing the label you can see if they change inputs. Finding out the ME is another good idea.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,703 ✭✭✭Packrat


    I heard this morning that the co-op complained it to Greenvale and the response was "we're happy with it, so buy it or don't"

    I'm done with it now anyway - gone to 18% nuts so they can keep their shyte.

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,194 ✭✭✭foxy farmer


    Back in 94 I bought 6 tonne of 10 10 20 and paid for it in cash. Had some change out of £600 coming home. God be with the days. Paid for a consignment this morning to be delivered in next few days. Here's the damage.😯. Pass me the brandy bottle😭 (Barryroe CoOp)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 741 ✭✭✭ABitofsense


    It's kinda a bit of both really but weather is a bigger variable. I did soil testing couple years back which showed how we did it here worked for the ground. It's my father's experience that I piggy back on.

    For this yr, Silage ground was grazed to mid Nov and won't be grazed this spring. It has a good cover now so for me 1800/acre is sufficient based on how the ground grows. 2 bags of Cutsward then should have get a good cover by mid-end of May.

    Last yr, it was 2250/acre with 2 bags of Cutsward which yielded 12.5 bales to acre but this ground was grazed in spring.

    Year before was 2600/acre with 2 bags but found that the slurry didn't fully go into the soil & seemed too heavy. Could still see it at baling time even though it was spread nearly 12 weeks. All done with trailingshoe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,834 ✭✭✭Cavanjack


    Do you do any tests or use gut instinct/experience?


    We tested all ground a few years ago. Silage ground was nearly all index 4 for p&k. It needed lime and got it. Heard teagasc or the journal say that 3000 gallons per acre will provide all the p&k a silage crop required and also some nitrogen. If it’s topped up with a bag and half of urea along with the slurry it should get 75 units if nitrogen.

    Experience tells me that if the weather comes right it doesn’t matter what you put on it. it’ll grow if it’s warm and wet and it won’t if it’s cold and wet or cold and dry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Fertilizer production in Europe slowing down due to price of gas.


    EU and political leadership could not give a shi7.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭ginger22


    Local Yarra stockist says there will be no more available this year



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭jimmy G M


    Phoned our local Topline this eve where we buy most of our supplies. I think they are in some purchasing group or tied into Grennans. Have most of our requirements but could do with another 2 T of Urea or CAN or Cutsward..


    Urea - unable to source any

    CAN- none in the yard, but expecting a deliveries in the next few days. Unable to quote a price but expected to be €750+ per ton.

    18.6.12 €770 Small amount available

    27.2.5.5 €845 1 ton available.

    27.2.5.10 non available. Delivery expected as per CAN above...

    Will go with 2t of CAN if I can get it at €750.



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