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To Mask or not to two - Mask Megathread cont.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    Make it a legal requirement, then we can talk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    It's a healthcare setting, of course masks should be kept.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 205 ✭✭Skygord


    You shouldn't need a law to force you to do right by other people.

    My wife is on chemo, with no spleen. If I can't get the drugs for her, she goes to the pharmacy.

    Why won't you put on a mask for 5 mins to help her survive longer?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    Masks are no longer legally required for healthcare, or airports for that matter, so there's no legal need to wear them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,251 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Sorry to hear about your wife's illness (genuinely), but how did she/ you manage before 2020 if you/she was sick?

    We didn't wear masks then and yet there were still risks about that would affect sick or vulnerable people. Putting your faith in a piece of cloth isn't great especially when they seem to have had very little real effect beyond acting as a placebo - likely the result of the inconsistent requirements between venues as well as questions as to their effectiveness as a whole.

    Either way, again sorry to hear that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    In case you haven't noticed the past two years, it's because people are selfish. That's your answer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    Is that your answer to them, to completely deflect the question and change it to before 2020. She could have been diagnosed during the pandemic where masks were worn?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    Another deflection. It's still advised for healthcare and public transport as well. I didn't ask or say anything about airports.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    No deflection. Advised does not equal required.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,251 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    And there's nothing stopping her or her husband continuing to wear masks now.

    However, it's a choice and of questionable real value at that (as proven by the surging - thankfully mild in the majority - cases over the Christmas/New Year period), and others are likewise free to decide not to do so. Either way, it's not something to be putting all your hopes on if you are actually vulnerable.

    That's democracy for you. Again, restrictions and mask wearing were to address a threat to public health (whether they got the balance of risk vs cost right is another discussion but likely one that'll be played out in time), not people's anxieties



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    Do you also ignore the requirement to wear your seat belt as well?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 205 ✭✭Skygord


    Pre-2020 on a previous round of chemo she isolated at home.

    We don't entirely put faith in masks, she's isolating bar essential healthcare visits. Prior to every hospital visit (there are lots) she has to take an LFT (as does every single other patient in the hospital), and if staying in overnight they do a PCR before she can be moved to the room (as do every other overnight patient). Every single person in the hospital wears masks. All the staff in the pharmacy wear masks. All the staff in her GP's wear masks.

    As we all know, vulnerable people are most susceptible. Vulnerable people have to go to hospitals, GP's and pharmacies, they have no choice (except maybe pharmacies where someone can go for them (but I have to take the same precautions as my wife to keep her safe).

    Don't forget that it's not just my wife. Every few weeks she spends an entire day on a chemo ward getting treatment. Every single person on the ward that day is extremely vulnerable - and as cancer affects people of all ages, genders, races, nationalities indescriminately, the ward has kids, old people, young people, don't think it's just old people that are vulnerable, everyone who is currently immunosuppressed is.

    What the f**k is so difficult about masking up for 5 mins in pharmacy?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭NedsNotDead


    Now come on Away With The Faries. You know there is a big difference between a requirement and advice



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    Now you're deflecting...

    That's a legal requirement, but it also actually prevents you going through the windscreen by physically restraining you, it's not a virtue signalling device.



  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Some of the nonsense on this thread is unreal.

    Why don't you drive your cars at 30km at all times? We'd have practically no fatal crashes.

    Why not take in as many homeless people as you can accommodate and help them live longer?

    Why not cancel nonessential travel? Better for the environment.


    People need to grow up and act like adults. I myself take immuno suppressant medication. That's a situation for me to manage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    No, that is a legal requirement. Masks are not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    I jumped countries because child deaths should be similar in the us and Ireland and we have granular data on Irish deaths to show that "with COVID" barely a handful of children died in the whole two years and you can see how few ended up in ICU - so few in fact that it's not even worth raising COVID as a risk factor in any way for under 18s.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy


    So, I now have reminded you of the rules. I'm not sure who you think you are but I do not want any medical advice from you. Don't go bo hoo others are doing it, like you just did, not to me they are not and anyway that it not an excuse.

    As to your inferral that I'm "dumping random articles in an attempt to suggest that we should all be concerned" well that's just pure hyperbol.

    When I post it's "dumping" but when you post it's "posting"! One cannot help draw the proximity of the word dumping to rubbish. It's a mask thread. If you find mask articles to be rubbish I can't help you. Some posters have been very grateful and some excellent conversations have ensued. You on the other hand seem fixated to deflect nearly any and all conversations away from the articles onto your favourite themes, "it's all over" "what did you do before 2020" "not a threat" etc.

    I contribute to this thread with a depth of articles none, so in that sense "random" but they all have one thing in common, all mask related.

    You are forming an unhealthy habit of psychoanalysing me in public on this thread under the guise of "curious", something I am not comfortable with.

    It's easy to wear a mask for a quick pop into the shop or pharmacy without raising one's concern levels, you should try it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy


    You jumped countries becuase the data was more favourable to your biased opinion.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,776 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Steve012


    Ten times more than you did obviously 👍🏽



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,251 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    It's easy to wear a mask for a quick pop into the shop or pharmacy without raising one's concern levels, you should try it.

    But see here's the thing.. since the restrictions were lifted I no longer need to. Why would I try it?

    Anyway, as I've said all along... mask up if you feel more comfortable/safer/whatever but as I've said before, that's the only thing you can expect at this point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,113 ✭✭✭xhomelezz




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy


    Tubridy: Have you any regrets by how the situation has been handled by you, by the government at this point?

    Vardakar(then acting Taoiseach): "I'm sure I have loads.........em....one thing for example, thinking of the future and also looking back, one of the things I'm sure we would have definetly had done had we known would have been stockpiling."

    "We would have stock piled ventilators and stockpiled PPE. As it happened we wouldn't have needed the ventilators cause we didn't get overwhelmed. It would have been great if we had a stockpile of PPE."

    Varadkar was Minister for Health in 2015 when the Preparedness of Hospitals in the Republic of Ireland for an Influenza Pandemic, an Infection Control Perspective was published. It was found that:

    Fifty one percent of hospitals had taken specific measures to stockpile or have reserve medical supplies e.g. masks, ventilators and linen.

    One fifth of hospitals having stockpiled or worked with the state to establish a stockpile of linen (average of 2.4 days supply of linen).

    One third of hospitals having an average of 5.1 days of surgical masks stockpiled.

    The study does not elaborate on the quantity of surgical masks, the amount of staff who would get to wear them or how many they would wear per day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy


    Anyway, as I've said all along... mask up if you feel more comfortable/safer/whatever but as I've said before, that's the only thing you can expect at this point.

    Your disdain for masks is blatantly crude and boring.

    Hate to burst your "as I've said all along" but I and many others do not "mask up" for feelings, I/we mask up because it is the logical thing to do.

    Your limiting expectations now, LOL.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,251 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Yet you cannot explain what that logic is and get sensitive when asked to do so, yet have no issue with belittling those who disagree with you.

    Funny that!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭Swaine


    Your love of face coverings is unnatural and quite frankly disturbing.

    They're gone now, move on with your life.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 498 ✭✭JP100


    I've a friend who thinks nothing of being in a packed pub (maskless throughout) from 7 in the evening to closing time on a Saturday night - but who then deems it prudent to wear his cloth mask while popping into his local centra on the Sunday to grab some milk. He will also use his mask outside when at GAA matches but then discard it altogether to visit the local pub afterwards. I've softly queried him on this a couple of times and his only response was that the mask keeps him safer. Behaviour and a line of thinking that defies any sort of logic whatsoever.



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