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F1 2022 thread - see post 1 for rules

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭Harika


    Over the course of the year, there were several decisions that were debateable.

    Even in the last race, Hamilton benefited from staying in front.

    While you don't win a race in the first corner, but can lose it. You are not winning a championship in the last three laps. There were 1000s before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,043 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Yeah I think the first corner decision in Hamilton's favour shows that it's not a case of every decision going against Hamilton.

    But even after the 1000s of laps, it ultimately did come down to the last few laps. Masi's decision would decide the outcome of the championship. There's no way around that. Masi's decisions would either mean the bloke who had sped away to build a 15 second lead would win, or the other bloke would win. And he went off script regarding the back markers unlapping themselves.

    History will remember is as an extraordinary set of decisions and the race director lost his job over it.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,663 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    There were many controversial decisions made over the 2021 season, I would argue that on balance more favoured Hamilton / Mercedes than Verstappen / Redbull. I find it amusing that Hamilton fans only want the decisions that suited Max to be revisited. Especially when in the very same race Hamilton did not have to give the place back when he illegally passed Verstappen by leaving and rejoining the track.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,899 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    And rejoined way up the road. Not only did Hamilton fail to lose a position by going off track he also gained an huge advantage by rejoining seconds ahead of Max leaving no chance at getting Drs and then pulled away.

    That was every bit a championship decider all on its own and it would have been a shame had lewis then driven it to the end in the lead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,622 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    How would people feel about the FIA bringing in a weighted penalty system, so that any infringement that would normally cost a team like Williams a one place grid penalty would cost Mercedes-Benz 3 places, a 10 second penalty for Bottas would be a 30 second penalty for Hamilton etc.

    This too shall pass.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,043 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,622 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Time gaps from the last session. Basically it's a farce that Lewis Hamilton can win a Grand Prix after a 24 place penalty while any other team on the grid would struggle to get back into the lower point scoring position. He needs to be kept to a stricter standard and be taken down harshly if they put a toe out of line.

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,596 ✭✭✭McFly85


    The reason Hamilton was able to do that was because he had a brand new ICE that Merc had seemingly been developing over a few races with Bottas as Guinea pig. I would like to see actual penalties for teams going over the parts limits.

    If the FIA rule that you should be able to get through the season on 3 engines then first penalty should be 10 places, second 20 and championship points deductions for any engine required after that - if you require that many engines then something is fundamentally wrong with your design and you shouldn’t be able to spend your way out of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,541 ✭✭✭recyclebin


    I don't agree with the idea of weighted penalties at all. Bigger penalties for everyone is the way to go. The 5-10s penalties are meaningless if you have one or two very dominant teams. Hopefully the pack will have closed so this conversation becomes irrelevant but they used to give much harsher penalties in the past that actually meant something. Hamilton in Spa 2008 springs to mind. 25s penalty that dropped him from 1st to 3rd. Grosjean got a race ban after Spa 2012.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,622 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Hopefully tight enough so that 30 seconds is enough to take a fraudulent race winner out of the points completely.

    This too shall pass.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,702 ✭✭✭✭Jordan 199


    F1 to remain at Imola until 2025.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,312 ✭✭✭rameire


    How about an actual weighted penalty.

    Instead of grid penalty. The car has 5kg or other such number of weights added to the minimum weight of the car and driver.

    🌞 3.8kwp, 🌞 Clonee, Dub.🌞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,043 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Ah stop. They already have harsher penalties like drive through and stop/go penalties. Wait until the first race where there are several penalties and fans would switch to hating the new draconian penalties and asking why there can't be nuanced penalties that reflect a small breach of the rules.

    I know F1 fans like a big reaction, but let's not pretend this would solve any problems without just creating a new problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 542 ✭✭✭CONSI


    I do think Mercedes did step over the line with the amount of engines they used last year. The penalty isnt enough for them, even the commentators mention how drivers get out of the way when the likes of Lewis or Max for that matter are coming through as thats not who they are racing, so any driver starting at the back knows he will meet little resistence, even Mclaren and Ferrai were getting out of the way last year along with Alpine...so maybe a non safety engine replacement (so a crash etc would be allowed a change) over and above allocated engines for the season might result in a 1 lap penalty, would probably mean still a top 10 finish but its an actual penalty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,541 ✭✭✭recyclebin


    Rumours that Mercedes will bring a totally new car to second test with no side pods!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,788 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Anyone planning to go to any races this year? I'm trying to get ducks in a row to start booking this week, gonna try to get to at least 3 in Europe and I was planning to be in America round the time of the Miami race.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,541 ✭✭✭recyclebin


    Maybe it's lost in translation but the Corriere newspaper in Italy reported about Mercedes having no side pods. I presume it means a very skinny side profile rather than no side pods at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,853 ✭✭✭ILikeBoats


    Yep, have Monaco booked for the end of May. Very excited



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,596 ✭✭✭McFly85


    Heading to Zandvoort, first race and can’t wait!



  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nice! I don't think I'll be going to Monaco (hopefully Spain the week before) but am targetting Zandvoort to either do Spa the week before with it or Monza the week after. :P Looking at Imola but ticket prices have gone up a good bit as have flights, so I may have missed the boat on that one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,978 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    There shouldn't be any complaints that the safety car isn't going fast enough anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    https://twitter.com/eliz_blackstock/status/1501241352973164549?t=r0l9RG3toa_K6FcSJVoqYw&s=19



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,702 ✭✭✭✭Jordan 199


    Last pre-season test will be at Bahrain tomorrow the 10th (Thursday) until the 12th (Saturday). First qualifying session of the season will be on the following Saturday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 487 ✭✭BikeRacer


    Looking forward to the sidepod, or lack of them, discussions tomorrow if the Merc rumors are true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,841 ✭✭✭quokula


    The rumours about Mercedes sidepods sounded ridiculous but some reputable journalists are picking them up so it must be coming from somewhere. Not long until we find out anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 246 ✭✭Dutch Roll


    Hi, can anyone give me that good F1 website that people mentioned here a few weeks ago? The alternative to the one-eyed Sky drivel.

    Jaysus the search function here is wojus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,609 ✭✭✭✭Dont be at yourself




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 246 ✭✭Dutch Roll


    That's the one, thanks.



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