Russia - threadbanned users in OP

I am just making the point even if there is a nuclear fallout here we don’t know to what extent this will go.

It could be contained very quickly by the military response from the west.

The ‘end of the world’ armageddon scenario painted by some posters here is highly unlikely.

On a somewhat related note, Syria could be an interesting spot to put pressure on Putin as the civil war isn't anywhere close to being resolved. Right now, Assad's regime is basically being propped up by the Russians, but with the focus on Ukraine, plus sanctions etc., resupplying those troops is going to be a fair bit more difficult now. A well timed offensive by the Turkish backed FSA or the coalition backed Kurds might start causing Assad/Russia some serious difficulties, or at the very least drag some of the Kremlins focus and resources away from Ukraine.

Please tell me you are not being serious.

In summary - Da bleeeedin neck!

Putin will never be in the Hague and doubtless his friends in China and Syria and Israel will be happy to host him in future.

His downfall is far from certain

You're wrong I'm afraid.

The first city that would likely be hit with a Russian nuke is Berlin. Most of the targets will be across Europe not only the United States. The warheads will be devastating upon detonation and then by their after effects of fallout and soil irradiation.

Ireland would likely not be struck by any warheads, instead we'd die slowly from the immense levels of nuclear fallout from the warheads used against the United Kingdom and the United States.

Mutually assured destruction has worked as a deterrent because reasonably rational people have been at the helm up until now. At this stage all bets are off.

Remember ah sure it's not going to happen.

The "end of the world" doesn't just look like Mad Max.

Think about what you're saying for a second.

If, say, there's just two 50 MT warheads dropped...and unlikely scenario...but let's say one warhead gets used and it's greeted with another single one in retaliation. You will have huge areas of land that will become uninhabitable for decades. It'll make Chernobyl look like a broken ride at Disney Land.

The fallout in human terms would be almost unimaginable.

We've already had people bemoaning the Ukrainian refugees moving west because of Russia's invasion. Poland have already been warning of a humanitarian crisis on their border because of a million. Well, imagine many, many, millions more desperately trying escape the long lasting effects of a nuclear exchange on European soil and the effects that that would have on western Europe. It would probably tank western Europe for a long time to come.

So the "end of the world" might not be a desert wasteland. But it would certainly mean the end of things in Europe as we know it.

One of the fallouts from this war after it's all settled, is countries that are supposed to be allies of the US or under their protection....will seek their own protection. America's word is not worth the paper it's written on. I suspect Gulf states + Israel Re: Iran deal will find that out. Absolutely despicable to disarm Ukraine and assure them of their safety.

Not much noted but in the last two weeks the United States has quietly but consistently been upping it's military hardware and personnel presence all over NATO Europe particularly, of course, in Eastern Europe.

Only one way to find out ,nato aircraft are there most nights ,throw some armed interceptors into the mix ,you could find a lot of Russian pilots calling in sick

I am serious, and don't call me tell me

Unfortunately now the appetite is America first. There is too much internal strife to unify the Americans collectively. They are most keen to use their money to keep down the price of inflation than to save some faraway people. There is no sense of collective good anymore. It is cult of the individual. Being incredibly selfish is lauded. And closer to home, I saw some guy saying that the Ukraine war should stop because it will drive up the price of his petrol. That is their mentality

I don’t know how the US would react to WWII if it happened now… Would they still fly in to help us…..