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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The end of Putin will come from within Russia. It is what they do well, without any external help. The evidence of support for it from outside will be the easing of sanctions when Russia fully reverse course.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Captured soldiers appearing on video to denounce their side is nothing new. We have seen it in Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan. Iran has done it multiple times with UK and US sailors - forced confessions and apologies.

    From a humanitarian point of view it should be condemned, it's potentially a violation of the Geneva convention. It should make any reasonable person question the morality of the side releasing the videos. Historically they have always been released by dodgy countries or regimes (incl Russia).

    From an intelligence point of view it should be ignored. Anyone who thinks it provides useful intelligence on Russian morale, strategy etc. is naive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 757 ✭✭✭generic_throwaway


    The fact that you speak about 'rulers' rather than 'leaders' says a lot. These are all people (like Putin) who rule over people who are not free.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,016 ✭✭✭✭briany


    There's no-one who a 'veneer of legitimacy' would benefit at this stage. The Russian people (at least the ones believing Putin's lies) probably don't care if Zelensky were beheaded and strung up. Everyone in the West is pretty clear on the positions of each leader, and nobody's buying Zelensky turning around and agreeing to be a part of any puppet regime. Everyone would know the barrel of the gun was being pushed fairly hard into his back on that one.

    If the Russians want to take over Ukraine, they might as well go the whole hog and just parachute in a full-fledged pro-Russia regime and let the people of Ukraine battle against it for years to come. Mainly, the point of this whole invasion, anyway, is to destabilise Ukraine even further than it already has been. If Putin cannot have an obedient Ukraine, he can at least have one that is perpetually in chaos and unable to join those dastardly institutions of the West he so fears encroachment of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,841 ✭✭✭Did you smash it




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,140 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Every country in the world has a continuity plan in case their President/Prime Minister/Monarch/whatever head of government dies. There's someone who automatically steps into the role, at least temporarily (even in a democracy). They don't just leave a big vacuum and wait to see what happens.

    The Ukrainian continuity plan may be of interest to us in the short term, however it's the Russian one that's of significant interest in the longer term.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    TBH I don't disagree that a captive will try and say things normally that curry favour with their captors. From what we have seen the Ukrainians in general appear to be taking good care of any Russian troops they capture so I doubt very much that his life is in danger.

    However when he gets back to mother RuSSia he could be in serious jeopardy from his own people.



  • Posts: 1,159 [Deleted User]


    There have already been reports of Ukrainian women being raped by Russian soldiers. Unfortunately it's common in war, it would be fantasy to think this doesn't happen



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    No more Levi’s jeans for the Russians. I wonder if the oligarchs will go back to the denim trade ? It is where most of them started.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,537 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    It certainly looks uncoerced and honest. But at the end of the day, he is a captive and nobody knows what is going on behind the scenes. That is why it is not a good idea to be sharing videos of POWs. I'd be inclined to believe it but its impossible to ever really know.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 757 ✭✭✭generic_throwaway





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,326 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Don't look at twitter etc. but it's quite weird to see here imo. Think there's a few of them who spent years/months raising alarm about the dangerous creeping authoritarianism in the West under guise of restrictions to deal with a fake or exaggerated (their terms) Covid-19 danger. Now an in the flesh tyrant is making a huge war in Europe again to try & do the ultimate (to me) in "taking freedom away" (conquering/laying waste to a nation), they decide, at best, to do a bit of "both-sides" and reserve their opinion on rights & wrongs of it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I heard 30 aircraft but no specifics on what kind of aircraft thanks to Ukrainan marines.

    Nothing verified yet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭Addmagnet


    I thought you'd been threadbanned? (at least!)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,350 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Fair play to you.

    What's your take on why the Russians haven't used their medium-long range strike aircraft or heavy bombers yet?

    This is what RTE are saying

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    To the surprise of many, Russia has so far failed to establish air superiority and Ukraine's air space remains contested. Although anti-aircraft missiles still pose a serious risk to Russian aircraft and Ukrainian air force fighters can still perform low-level, defensive counter-air and ground-attack missions, the Russian air force continues to pose a serious and growing threat to Ukraine.

    The Russian air force has deployed about 300 modern military aircraft in the vicinity of the combat zones in Ukraine, but they have not flown many missions. The tactical reasons are unclear, although a commentary from the Royal United Services Institute suggests a lack of precision-guided munitions, the difficulties of deconflicting (avoiding friendly fire from ground-based Russian anti-aircraft missiles) and lack of flight experience by Russian pilots may be factors.

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    Surely the Russians got plenty of experience flattening Aleppo?

    I think they don't want the bad PR that would come with a heavy aerial bombardment. It might also force NATO's hand. I also see a major change of tack once Kyiv is captured - I think the Russians will sue for a negotiated peace when they have captured Kyiv and possibly Odessa.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,712 ✭✭✭storker


    Compared to footage of prisoners forced to make video statements in the past, such American POWs in Vietnam or shot down British and American aircrew during Desert Storm, this guy looks positively relaxed. He's obviously not reading from a script and seems naturally talkative. Of course, the gist of what he was going to say would have been cleared with his captors first.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,002 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Probably an unpopular opinion, but If it hadn't been for tendencies of patriarchy and mysogeny, Hillary Clinton would have been streets better than either and would have doused Trump. Even with those drags, she still got more votes then Trump. Putin actually feared her hence the whole election interference thing. He outmanoievered the US on that one too, as is now with his constantly waving the nuke stick in desperation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Talisman


    There's a surprise. Ukrainian forces allegedly used a captured GRAD rocket launcher to attack a Russian Navy vessel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,016 ✭✭✭✭briany


    If Putin feared Hillary Clinton it was probably because of the whole Libya episode ("We came! We saw! He died! Ahahahaha!"). I think it was on a PBS Frontline I saw this, but the claim there was that Putin was obsessed with avoiding the same fate. It was all he could talk about to his inner circle at the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    If this turns out to be legit, massive blow to Russia and huge win for Ukraine.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,460 ✭✭✭Ninthlife


    I'm not Russian or in Russia and I can't afford Levis 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    If you don't think deploying anti-terrorism squads in armoured vehicles, rubber bullets and tear gas against those protesting the forced vaccine mandates was an overreach, you're very tolerant of authoritarianism.

    What we've seen in Australia and Canada in particular would not be out of place in Russia or China. These are facts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Ukraine has own stock of Grad launchers either Way it's another win for them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,002 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭scotchy


    Ruble looks to be in freefall this morning

    💙 💛 💙 💛 💙 💛



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I think we've witnessed a bizarre propaganda war over the last few years and Ireland's generally been left relatively unscathed, probably because it's very hard to tilt a PR-STV electoral system, which tends to drive consensus finding. Politics here tends to be very local and not about big, broad messaging and marketing campaigns. There have certainly been attempts at the fringes but they never really got beyond that.

    At most we've had a few far right whacko conspiracy theorists out claiming the MSM is out to get them etc and a few gullible, well meaning types who are parroting stuff on the 'left' and I don't think they know what the left means tbh if they think Moscow represents it!

    The US and the UK need to urgently deal with what's happened there. Their political systems have been completely consumed by spin and aggressive partisan politics that's driven them into a situation where neither of them are particularly functional anymore. The US worries me in the sense that they've become so divided at this stage that they can't even pass budgets and absolutely everything is now about culture wars and identity politics, to the point that they're just lost down a rabbit hole. Meanwhile the British can't even mention Europe without someone starting to froth at the mouth.

    France has similar issues, along different topics - and you can see all the triggers being pushed by various fringe movements, and the links to Moscow are similar.

    All of these places have their domestic political problems, divides and issues and they are domestically generated, but they've been played like a violin for the last number of years and it reached a crescendo during the MAGA and Trump era in particular and I still don't think the US commentariat is really waking up to it yet. They're still off blaming one side or the other for absolutely everything, including things they've had no role in. Until that stops and they start behaving like a normal society again, the US is very weak on the world stage.

    Britain is at the point where they've a clown as a PM and are practically irrelevant at the moment, having isolated themselves from the EU and burnt bridges all over the place, and that's despite their own hype at home. You can see how nobody's paying much attention to Boris or Truss right now.

    Numerous countries were dramatically undermined in the last few years and COVID was mana from heaven for those who wished to poke and prod and destabilise countries further as it lit conspiracy theories everywhere. It didn't take a lot to keep poking at them...

    At last we're starting to see the links and beginning to take some of this stuff seriously. I think the manipulation and propaganda ability has com to a dramatic end and only in the last few days. It's a spent force now. Moscow's mask has slipped and it's become very crude, blatant and obvious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    Agree with most of this, but you have a short memory. It was the UK that lead the efforts against Russia in the first 48 hours of the invasion. The EU & US then 'caught up'. For a time, it was Boris leading the world's response.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    I think it's a mixture of poor training, paranoia and a very different theatre of operations compared to Syria. Russia knows that there is now a pretty strong SAM threat in Ukranian airspace, with both Russian built high altitude units and low level, shoulder-launched systems. There is also a major Overwatch operation of Ukranian and, to some extent, Russian airspace by both NATO and US aircraft with Radar and Signals gathering systems. Yesterday, the US denied that they are giving the Ukranians raw data on Russian movements, but I'd say they are covering their assessments.

    Russian pilots train less than 100 hrs a year. They are also not used to multi-aircraft, multi-objective operations. This is why, in Syria, you only saw one or two flying missions.

    Finally, Russia do not train in a Red Flag type of scenario ( I'll let you Google Red Flag for a reference..). NATO are much better at launching multiple platform, multi-role and multiple target missions in one foul sweep. Putin knows this. He knows that Nato have everything in place to hit Russia in one night, conventially, that would destroy the Russian military infrastructure. Hence the Nuclear threat.

    This is why there is a massive sub hunt going on at the moment. The West needs to account for every single sub at the moment.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The election interference thing was all unproven and unverified despite major investigations into it, twice, an impeachment and a special prosecutor investigation(Mueller). In fact a new investigation is alleging the Hilary Clinton campaign and now security advisor Jake Sullivan(who worked with Clinton at the time) disseminated false allegations about ties between Trump and Alfa bank (Russian) and were spying on dns data under a false pretence.

    https://news.yahoo.com/jake-sullivan-repeatedly-promoted-alfa-110000992.html

    The ‘pee pee’ tapes were from the Steele dossier who is also now has serious indictments against him. https://edition.cnn.com/2021/11/18/politics/steele-dossier-reckoning/index.html

    The Democrat party, CNN and others lied to everyone and they aren’t so loud in correcting the truth.

    There is much to criticise Trump for but Russian interference in the election(other than their regular propaganda and troll farms) is a debunked conspiracy theory.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,587 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    It must have been the Indian version of the Jeremy Kyle show you were analysing!



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