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is_that_so · 07-03-2022 09:42AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118744124#Comment_118744124

This was expected and less likely to be a huge issue as we head into warmer weather but EU countries will need to get alternatives in place by next autumn.

Wibbs · 07-03-2022 09:42AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118743624#Comment_118743624

Can confirm. At least with the ones I know I've talked to so far. And they're sharing their side on their social media groups just as much as Westerners are. Though with noticeable differences; by comparison they've only a few talking points endlessly repeated and ask no obvious questions and brook no questions either. Yeah you get people on Ukraines side going on about Putin bots, but genuine questions are raised and responded to. The Russian side of things seems to consist of requoting Russian TV talking heads and pointing to useful idiots in the west(like that US retired trumpist general) and an obsession with nazis in Ukraine and Soviet history and old glories.

My biggest takeaway down the years chatting with Russians - and this of course is a crass generalisation - is they're simply not used to asking questions. In the West for generations we've been used to being exposed to different opinions. We may have chosen to ignore them, or be too engrained/stupid to look at them, or even shout them down, like in good oul catholic Ireland, but we were exposed to them nonetheless. There was and is a constant fight for narrative. The Russian people really haven't been. It's nearly always been just one narrative. They might question that narrative, but it was the only one they had to go on. Not unlike elections in the Soviet Union. They had democracy and could be vocal and active within it too, but there was only one party to vote for, merely different candidates.

greenpilot · 07-03-2022 09:44AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118744090#Comment_118744090

Actually, this is prime example of what I am talking about. Over-privileged, easily offended and thin skinned, with little grasp of what it is like to be oppressed, destitute and willing to put your life on the line in order to save your family.

As many here are aware, I spent a lot of time in Syria ( among other places), during the Arab Spring and afterwards while the Russians decided to level Aleppo. I also worked on the border with Jordan, so don't even think about lecturing me about immigrants.

You're exactly the type of person I'd love to frog-march through the absolute destitution, misery and fear that is Syria today. You'd stand there with your mouth open. Sure, we had some over-enthuiastic college students over to help. Do you know what we did with them? Sent them home, because it was all about them and a selfie beside a bombed out BMP or house.

Also, you do realise this post is Irish Based? The "GB news, Nigel Farage and both world wars" arguments fall a little flat on Irish ears. Most posters on this forum are Irish.

brickster69 · 07-03-2022 09:47AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118744131#Comment_118744131

It could be 6000 by then

threeball · 07-03-2022 09:50AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118743779#Comment_118743779

Yes three terrorist groups and a continous threat for 30yrs worked out brilliantly for everyone especially the 3000 dead people and their families.

threeball · 07-03-2022 09:51AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118743771#Comment_118743771

If they land a bomb on nato territory it gives the west full permission to enter Ukraine

rogber · 07-03-2022 09:57AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118743283#Comment_118743283

Not flippant, just realistic about what happens in war. Like I say, it's disgusting, but not surprising

07-03-2022 09:57AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118744147#Comment_118744147

Who cares, integrity has a price. Besides there are things we can do like rolling back some of the greener initiatives. Those Chinese trolls aren’t properly informed as their internet is censored.

gmisk · 07-03-2022 09:58AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118744139#Comment_118744139

You literally have zero notion of my background I am far from all those things.

Then you prove my point with an "In my day" monologue.

If you don't get my meaning with the GB news thing also see the national party or the Irish freedom party.

Younger people are not the cause of this issue but yet you use this forum to go on a rant against "woke" younger people and their progressive attitudes. Older generations do this kind of thing constantly (I'm sure your parents/grandparents generation did the same).

Wibbs · 07-03-2022 10:00AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118743796#Comment_118743796

Barely and because the Soviets had massive support in lend lease materiel from the Allies, and the Germans were fighting a war on three fronts. If it had been just Germany against Russia not nearly so clear cut.

DeadHand · 07-03-2022 10:01AM

GB news, Farage, National Party, Irish Freedom Party...

I've never seen strawman constructed and knocked over so swiftly in all my days, even here.

threeball · 07-03-2022 10:10AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118743942#Comment_118743942

Putin wrote a book years ago where he described being a child in his tower block and chasing a rat. He followed it into a room where the rat was cornered. With nowhere to go the rat attacked and he ended up running away. He said it showed him that even the smallest animal can fight back when cornered and its a lesson he has stood by since.

Now it's a lovely story and analogy with Putin seeing himself as the cornered rat that cab fight back but there's a couple of issues with it.

Firstly it was irrational fear that made him turn and run. The rat was never really going to do him any damage but he didn't think the fight was even worth taking a nip over a bit like our nato friends so he legged it.

Secondly he only ever saw himself as that rat and could never see it applied to others but even today the Ukrainians are that cornered rather and they will bite and scrape and do everything they can to survive. He won't be mortally wounded but he will think sustain some damage. Its remains to be seen how much pain he's willing to take.

html6 · 07-03-2022 10:13AM

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvQ9wJKXJwcw_4tNaHHbWdA

This channel gives up to date info on military events in Ukraine.

gandalf · 07-03-2022 10:15AM

Yesterday people were posting maps showing RuSSia had grabbed loads of territory in Ukraine and I said that really didn't reflect the real situation on the ground. The fact is the RuSSians have only taken the roads here is a map to reflect that. Until they have the ability to properly patrol the land around those roads they are seriously vulnerable to small units armed with anti-armour missiles like the Javelin.

https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/status/1500734137463943171?t=DulNV7auJUiPJoEP9GMoiw&s=19

Nermal · 07-03-2022 10:18AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118744131#Comment_118744131

We need gas to generate electricity, even in summer.

Talisman · 07-03-2022 10:21AM

Feminists staged their own protest in Paris yesterday. The message would probably be lost on Vlad, I'm pretty sure he'd give it the two thumbs up.

Protest footage: https://streamable.com/ihzt7h

brickster69 · 07-03-2022 10:26AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118744240#Comment_118744240

Coal up 13%. I wonder what that is used for ?

Could be looking at 20% inflation in weeks

Field east · 07-03-2022 10:34AM

You forgot to mention that the rat had the nuclear option if attacked Ie Wales disease - if bitten . It’s a debilitating disease and eventually a killer one . Only difference nuclear in instant . The rat this time is Ukraine . It , hopefully, will bite bit by bit until it has chewy off enough for Putin to ‘refllect’ .

there apparently thousands coming into Ukraine to ‘help’ out . How might they be used going forward especially if Kiev is surrounded by those flat tyres/ out of fuel vehicles

gandalf · 07-03-2022 10:35AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118744271#Comment_118744271

I think our Government are going to have to relax the taxes on fuels in the short term to act as a safety valve. They do have a lot of movement here as we have some of the heaviest taxes and duties on fuels in Europe. I also believe carbon taxes need to be parked until this crisis is resolved.

Dohnjoe · 07-03-2022 10:37AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118744124#Comment_118744124

Yeah, and could get more expensive than this. Do you think we should drop sanctions against Russia?

Dohnjoe · 07-03-2022 10:43AM

According to Oryx, based on visual evidence, the Ukrainians have destroyed well over hundred pieces of Russian armor and vehicles since yesterday

Russia - 845, of which: destroyed: 337, damaged: 10, abandoned: 147, captured: 351

circadian · 07-03-2022 10:43AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118744124#Comment_118744124

Sanctions are going well if you ask me considering the price hikes before Christmas were a result of Russians reducing their gas output anyway.

brickster69 · 07-03-2022 10:45AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118744315#Comment_118744315

Can't now it is done. Just hope that Gazprom pays it's bond today, if not we may see something worse than Lehman Brothers collapse.

Dohnjoe · 07-03-2022 10:45AM

Allegedly a lot of Russian helicopters were destroyed on the ground at Kherson airfield, but will see if there's any confirmation of it around

road_high · 07-03-2022 10:46AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118744307#Comment_118744307

Don’t worry- leo said they might do something by next October- he has to hide behind a European paper first though. So there’s no rush

Christy42 · 07-03-2022 10:47AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118736362#Comment_118736362

What, just what? I am talking about the people walking alongside the Nazi flag here. I didn't think that was a controversial point that people with Nazi flags are probably Nazis. I suspect that those with actual Nazi flags are supporting Moscow as opposed to Kiev though.

I needed an example of a Nazi elsewhere and went as uncontroversial as possible since it was a side line. I really figured no one was going to argue with those with a Nazi flag. Figured that had to be an open and shut case if there ever was one.

My original point was that the existence of Nazis or not is not close to a justification for war and that any complaints about Nazis in Ukraine should only be discussed after all Russian troops have left the absolute entirety of Ukraine (Crimea included). Somehow because I think someone with a Nazi flag or slogan is a Nazi (that isn't even in the country that Russia invaded) I support the Russian invasion? Does Russia also want to remove all its troops from Ukraine? I didn't think it did but unless it does I am not really sure how I could be seen as supporting the Russian government.

Dohnjoe · 07-03-2022 10:47AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118744345#Comment_118744345

Okay, but that's not the question, do you support the sanctions on Russia?

omega man · 07-03-2022 10:49AM

I see India asking for a ceasefire so they can get 700 Indian students out of Sumy safely. Reminder that India abstained in UN votes to condemn Russia.

Dohnjoe · 07-03-2022 10:49AM

Russian paratroopers getting hungry

https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1500746954275438592

road_high · 07-03-2022 10:49AM

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/leo-varadkar-awaits-eu-report-before-tackling-rising-fuel-costs-mttfdqmhs

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Russia - 845, of which: destroyed: 337, damaged: 10, abandoned: 147, captured: 351