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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,030 ✭✭✭✭everlast75




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 772 ✭✭✭Heraclius




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Ukraine's internal politics are very complex and wars have a nasty habit of things spilling over into old scores being settled. A Ukrainian politican with Russian loyalties has already been snatched, convicted of treason in a kangaroo court and executed in a matter of hours, body dumped on the street. As the days and weeks roll on I fear we'll see more of this kinda thing.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    US/NATO/EU moving serous amount of kit into Ukraine, WP reporting 14 wide-body jets landing per day to deliver Javelins, Stingers, etc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Seeing a lot of reports that Belarus military ordered units into Ukraine last week but there was chaos, military units fleeing, orders disobeyed, etc.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Initial reports suggested he was feeding information to the Russians and was therefore summarily executed by the SBU. However the Ukranians would surely not have celebrated him and offered condolences to his family if that was the case. (unless of course they were trying to deflect responsibility).

    In any case it's an odd development, attempts to get closer to the truth are probably futile. The confirmed details are that he was shot dead and he was definitely a delegation member.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Seems a lot of foreign fighters have volunteered to fight in Ukraine, up to 3,000 Americans have signed up apparently



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    I think, reading between the lines, this is part of the off ramp from the war for Russia.

    Have Ukraine sign meaningless anti nuclear weapon pledge, get neutrality and claim that this is the great victory with the Russian people.

    It's a clever parachute actually.

    Expect to hear a lot more about Ukraine's dastardly nuclear threat and negotiations on it in coming days.



  • Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    And also, one thing that struck me this week- Zelenskyy's attack on NATO , telling them essentially that they have blood on their hands if they don't implement the no-fly zone, I don't think went down well. I can understand someone who's in a war situation, wanting as much help as they think is possible, but it's shown me that one wrong move from the leadership of Ukraine, could see a turn in public support.

    Continuing supporting them with weapons, especially drones, may well be the only thing we can do at present in terms of direct involvement on the ground.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    When people say invest in the armed forces, this is the type of stuff you'd invest in.

    There's no point in fighter jets if your airfields are bombed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    One of the commentaries floated earlier that Putin wanted to expand Russia into a new Empire as his legacy. After this invasion and war on another sovereign nation that legacy is now in tatters like the reputation of the Russian armed forces.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    One wonders how many of those are on "extended leave" from their "day jobs" 😉



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The signs were there when the Russian navy retreated from the Cork/Kerry fishermen. 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Indeed, however these smaller drones are limited to only lighter ordinance, and Russia will adapt, but they are definitely viable and if Ua start using them in numbers could have an impact. The larger Turkish drone is doing extraordinary damage to Russian armor.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Might be explained by Ukrainian paramilitaries executing him for treason/score settling off their own bat, not with direct knowleded or approval from the Ukrainian government. To cover themselves the official line is coming out confused.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Still no solid info on that convoy up the north

    1. It's a diversion from the Southern attack?
    2. They genuinely got bogged down in the mud and had fuel issues
    3. It's a staging area for the encirclement of Kyiv?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭Botrys



    I read somewhere there's around 16,000 foreign nationals who 'signed up' to join the Ukrainian resistance, french/german/polish/britsh/american etc.

    I think Zelensky's call for 'people around the world to come and assist' was an orchestrated play to bring in NATO special forces disguised as mercenaries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 858 ✭✭✭jolivmmx


    Imagine if Ireland was invaded by Britain. And an Taoiseach was watching his people, his friends, his loved ones die in a stupid conflict. Imagine 1 million people had to flee the country. What would you expect him to say? Meaningless diplomatic rhetoric? Ukraine is being ripped to shreds by Russia. Of course he is going to call out the foreign powers when this is happening.

    It is challenging for the West to intervene because people seem more concerned about their own local concerns than people that they have never met dying. The DailyMail readers in their comments don’t want to get involved in the conflict in any way. And when the war is over and the history recorded, those readers will find a way to take the moral high ground



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    This long drawn out battle is very damaging to Russia. As more time goes on their assets will be whittled away, with no resources to resupply. There is virtually unlimited supply of armaments/tech/intel to give Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    🤣

    Moscow Mick tweeted some video of a hick UFC fighter from Arkansas who was going off on a mad one about Hunter Biden and Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Big walkout in Russian factory at Nizhnekamsk over wages issue linked to plummeting rouble. So it begins.



  • Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    How do the Ukranians manage all the foreign people coming in? Especially those with no obvious ties to Ukraine? How can they trust them? You can't just jump from citizen to useful soldier that's conscious of all their duties and how to behave in the few minutes it takes to put a uniform on. How do they filter out the selfish adventurers? The head the balls? Those with criminal tendencies? Etc. Etc. What sort of duties do they give them? Is their main value as propaganda? No clue how any of that works, but if I was Ukranian, I'd be watching these new arrivals very closely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    I see the Ministry of Truth and Doublethink continue to be busy promoting Putins dictates

    According to todays news Putin  continues to pin the blame for the war squarely on the Ukrainians and slammed their resistance to the invasion.

    “If they continue to do what they are doing, they are calling into question the future of Ukrainian statehood “And if this happens, it will be entirely on their conscience.”

    Not to be outdone on trying to remake history and throwing in a heavy dose of victim blaming, Putin is also hitting out at the economic sanctions which have crippled Russia’s economy and sent the value of its currency into free fall. He had likened these sanctions  to “declaring war”.

    No Mr Putin you declared war by invading a peaceful independent country, a country which  is valiantly fighting back.

    That Putin is surprised that Ukraine should resist his brutal invasion, that other countries should not impose sanctions or that sanctions are somehow the same as his invasion and declaring war on Ukraine is truely the machinations of Orwell's Ministry of Truth



  • Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I didn't disagree in that I "understand" what he said and why he said it. But public opinion is a fickle thing and can turn on a two-pence- and the "spies" being shot and thrown on the street is part and parcel of what happens in war- I get that too. To date, Ukraine leadership has worked as one unified team- I hope that it doesn't start to split in the weeks ahead in terms of ideology and what approach to take as support and coverage will start to wane from the public. I don't know the true reasons why these people were shot and the legal process that was gone though but Ukraine can't be seen anywhere near "war crimes" if it wants to keep the public on its side. Whether or not they believe dumping their bodies on the street was justified or not, I don't think it was a clever move.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭riddles


    Thousands of Russians have and will start losing well paid TECH jobs from tomorrow on in large numbers that will shake things up in terms of a jolt of reality for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Yeah that's about the number I've been coming across. I don't think there's any big "covert plan" behind this, just foreign nationals wanting to fight. Some of them are quite experienced, I've seen veteran special forces guys are joining. Also estimates are that 50k to 60k Ukrainian expats have gone back to fight. Any footage I've seen from inside Ukraine show large amounts of people signing up (due to military service in Ukraine many have rudimentary military training)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭Subzero3


    Then Erdogan? Awkward one since he is in Nato. He's no better. Russia won't fail unless Ukraine fails with it. I agree with the above mentioned post that it will escalate to tactical missiles/Nuclear to knock out Ukraine capabilities. If I were a despot about to lose I'd atleast cause maximum pain for the enemy. Lets say a coup was about to take place in Moscow, the gov could escalate it to a point where nobody can win.



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