Russia - threadbanned users in OP

What are you on about?

In NATO just three countries are nuclear weapon states, these are: France, the UK and the US

The Ukraine is not in NATO and previously gave up its nuclear weapons which it inherited from the former USSR for the guarantee that Russia would recognise its sovereignty. Russia has failed to do so.

That Ukraine may seek to pursue NATO membership to prevent Russia from doing exactly what its doing now is really not that difficult to understand. And its certainly not the first exsoviet state to so. Poland, Lativa and Lithuania are all NATO members. Perhaps you think they shouldn't be simply because Putin doesn't like it?

Does that mean every conflict since time began is considered genocide?

Really? that is a turning point then if true. These scummy blyats keep sending out mixed messages on purpose. The other day it was "Zelensky is the legitimate president" and "there will be no occupation".

Yes, he's dropped all talk of "liberating the Donbass". He now openly admits he wants to take all of Ukraine (this is what the 'de-Nazifying and demilitarising Ukraine' euphemism has been about).

I suspect it's happening already, but they need to go in 'unofficially'.

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At this point, western utopianism is going to get us all killed, because it has ignored the fact that there are other, lethal powers out there who won't allow liberal democracy to encroach into what they see as their back yards...

I don't see the sanctions as sustainable or conducive to peace. Crushing sanctions is what caused the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor. If you don't think that they will lead, at the very least, to a crippling cyber attack on western infrastructure leading to unparalleled chaos and escalation, just wait and see.

These lethal "powers" are already in our "back yard". No scratch that they are in the house, living it large, sneering and laughing at us. So many minds hacked with their bullshít which is free to spread and eaten up by lots of people, so many elites bought and sold and utterly corrupted. So much dependence of the West on them, esp. Putin's smirking pals in Beijing. See this thread for examples. It's not all "bots", as they say.

Putin has pulled his mask off now, and its clear to most what is underneath. The sanctions are necessary. Cut them off and close them out from the West, hopefully for a generation or more if current set up there survives and endures. I suppose I am a broken record at this stage but neither Russia nor China have some God given right to the extensive trade and economic and social interactions with us that they built up. Cutting them off isn't utopianism.

I assume you include Ireland and Irish troops as part of this?

Would you be willing to enlist if that's the case?

You don't even have to expand on anything. All you have to say is tanks get stuck in the mud. 😆

I wonder are the Chinese themselves surprised at the coordinated western sanctions and their immediate impact. Surely they would take serious note, at least privately.

I'm not sure how much it will change the West's strategy. The only thing it tells them is that he has no interest in peace negotiations and has no intention whatsoever of withdrawing from Ukraine. It's the first time he has admitted though that the intention is to take all of Ukraine (and presumably install a puppet regime).

Speaker of Russian parliament on Russian TV. This is now North Korea levels of propaganda

Personally, I fear dying in the nuclear winds, or living long enough after to face famine, starvation, radiation sickness and cannibal tribes who just want me for my body.

But that's me.