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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,144 ✭✭✭omega man


    My 16 year old daughter knew that and that’s why she was shocked people of that age were outright lying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,931 ✭✭✭PrzemoF


    There is a plausible explanation why the Russian army vehicles are running out of fuel. Normally a military vehicle in Russia and other the ex-soviet countries was supposed to carry fuel for 800 km. There are information that soldiers started to make holes in fuel tanks when they realized that it's not a military exercise, but a war. That guarantees that they can't reach the destiantion. Also that would explain why the 60 km (?) long military column going for Kyiv(*) almost stopped.

    Please use spelling Kyiv (from Ukrainian) not Kiev (from Russian). I learned that today.

    Source: https://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/russian-troops-sabotaging-their-own-tanks-and-walking-away-from-target-towns-to-avoid-combat-in-ukraine-41401492.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    While this is understandable, the offset is that the Russians have an overwhelming superiority in capabilities. Massive amounts of armour and machines are being poured in to this, but they are being going on with underfed and lower morale tips, facing determined and better trained troops. The Ukraine military is inflicting losses no one thought they would, and to be honest, if the militaries were more closely matched in terms of capabilities, I think the Russians would still be stuck at the border eating 7 year old rations.

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    Reports that Georgia will submit an EU application now, Putin will be p****d off even more now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,978 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Apparently Georgia will submit an application to join the EU (but source looks like TASS so will wait on that one)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,017 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Yeah, but I would have thought those questions would be answered with 'the evil West is trying to break our will.'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Georgia or anywhere else joining the EU is the least of putins worries right now. I'd say trying to negotiate a way of sparing his life after humiliating his country and costing it billions is his top priority now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Is there any proof of this?

    It doesnt matter what the magic number is, what matters is that DPR and LPR are large areas with large populations, of course they deserve the right to self-determination as places of that size, and if they so choose to be independent then why cant they?

    what the threshold is to be an independent movement is irrelevant because clearly whatever number it is, DPR and LPR are well above it. Theyre as big as northern ireland, not some villages.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,106 ✭✭✭manonboard


    All 6 Russians on my work team are completely against it. They live in Finland about 3-7 years in total. They are very scared about what will occur in russia, and not about the economy, but what putin will do to protestors when it starts to become known how false all this war is



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,966 ✭✭✭thomil


    That would explain why he's seemingly dropped of the surface of the Earth. Maybe it's because of my filter bubble but I haven't seen anything new from the Gremlin in the Kremlin in quite some time.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 665 ✭✭✭goldenmick


    Fed up of Boris publicly spouting off all the time. If we're going to get nuked I'd rather it be for physically standing up to Putin, as opposed to Boris constantly goading him with verbals. The tory twat is doing a first class job of trying to improve his own image... on the back of ensuring the UK will be top of the list should mad vlad take the nuclear plunge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Rt is nothing but a Kremlin misinformation system ,it's not a news channel or anything like it ,

    It's the KGB broadcasting and some poor sods are buying Into it hook line and sinker ,

    Id Gladly see it banned outside of Russia ,they have offices all over the world including on college and university campuses that's an intelligence operation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,931 ✭✭✭PrzemoF


    Unfortunately it's true: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nachtigall_Battalion

    France was working with Nazis as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_Vichy_France

    Anyway, it's history. They need help. If we start thinking what was happening long time ago there isn't a single nation without its dark pages.

    P.S. Russians celebrate "Day of Moscow’s Liberation from Polish Invaders". I guess using today's Kremlin language Polish-Lithuanian army was there with peace keeping mission?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Not the last time this will be said.

    Ukraine’s ambassador to the UN Sergiy Kyslytsya has compared the Russian leader Vladimir Putin with Hitler.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Usyk and Lomachenko are over fighting on the front lines. International sports stars who literally get paid millions (maybe even tens of millions) to fight in a boxing ring



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,945 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    It does matter what the threshold is because if there is one there needs to be a reason for it to be whatever it is which you don't seem to be able to answer. Or rather you can't answer it because you know it has no answer but are refusing to admit that because it will make you look ridiculous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,705 ✭✭✭Billcarson


    There was some collaboration in ww2 with the nazis in Ukraine though, with Ukraine nationalists. Most of the guards at sobibor were Ukrainian for example . They weren't the only collaboraters of course but maybe that was what she was referring to and thinking Ukrainians were all on the nazis side in ww2.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,712 ✭✭✭storker


    Some Ukrainians did volunteer to fight for Germany, motivated by their hatred of Communism, but the country as a whole didn't. They were welcoming to the Germans in June 1941 because they saw them as liberators, but the Germans themselves put paid to that idea pretty quickly. In fact the Germans' plan for Ukraine was starvation: grabbing all the grain and using it to feed Germany. Ukraine suffered horrendously under both the swastika and the hammer and sickle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    The slow process of the Russian army could pausable be due to Russian army commanders not really wanting to do what Putin is telling them. The fact the then US can listing to some conversation of Russian army movements could be a way the Russian army is trying to communicate this to NATO and the US.

    Dan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,017 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I think the fact is that neither Ukraine or Georgia are getting into the EU any time particularly soon. It's one thing to make an emotional pronouncement about wanting them in the club, but the practicalities of it come to the fore when it really gets discussed. If those countries don't meet certain criteria to join, but are still admitted, you're opening up a pandora's box of complaints. The Balkan states will be asking questions, for a start. If the Ukrainian/Georgian governments are corrupt, you potentially have more rogue actors in the EP and CoE, and the EU is already at odds with Orban. If Ukraine and Georgia aren't of a certain standard economically, there could be discontent about Ukrainians and Georgians taking up job opportunities in the west of Europe but not really offering much opportunity themselves.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    What was the threshold for Irish independence movements then?

    Or Kosovar independence?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭Killinator


    Worse, Timmy contradicts himself by saying the threshold, if there was one, is irrelevant but then stating that it's because they are a large area and not some village therefore implying that the threshold does matter 🤷



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 155 ✭✭ODriscoll


    No more far fetched than thousands of people copying and pasting prior regurgitated BS on the likes of twitter, tweeted by people not actually there on the ground.

    Convincing themselves they then know the truth of events thousands of miles away.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Maybe not. It will be spun and most likely believed that the West as usual and what it has done before is punishing ordinary Russian people because they were trying to save ordinary Russian people being attacked in Ukraine. That the West is punishing us narrative was a cornerstone of old Soviet propaganda to explain the ever more noticeable wealth gulf for the guts of a century and it has been kept going since the wall fell, with a short dip in the 90's.

    I don't think people understand the fallback to seige mentality, the West is out to break Russia stuff that can be present in ordinary Russians. I've experience of it and found it alien. And these are intelligent well educated people living in and contributing to the West for decades. Now imagine those who've never left, only speak Russian and only watch Russian media. Maybe the closest parallel in Ireland might be the Orange order Unionist types up North? They believe what they believe and that's that and will twist in the wind to line up their perception of reality with that narrative. On a couple of occasions(because it was so alien and fascinating) I've tried to calmly dissect their views, agreeing with some, asking why they believe others, and they're nice about it, but the shutters come down. Not unlike the fervently religious. They're a very proud, very conservative and a very sentimental people who love Russia warts and all and with a general suspicion towards the West.

    If anything I could see this actually bolstering support for the bloated gnome in the Kremlin, at least in ths short term. IMHO He's more likely to lose support if he's seen to fail in this 'military intervention' than by sanctions. The Czar can be cruel, enrich himself and his lords, silence his enemies and that's always been tolerated as the workings of the Czar, but if he looks weak and loses... He can never show weakness when fighting for Mother Russia. IMHO that's why him and his aren't backing down, even in the face of worldwide condemnation and sanctions, even though to a Western eye that sounds and looks insane.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,538 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    The Chinese must be having some laugh, stock up on cheap oil from Russia that no one else will buy, watch the world go into recession and buy up everything they can around the world cheap then also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Fair enough, that's your experience. Like I say the ones I know and they are well educated, the best they come up with is " there are two sides to every story" . If you probe them at all on what is happening they resort to the usual broken English, don't understand, mode.



  • Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    including on college and university campuses

    Really? Must look into that. Between that and China's 'Confuseyouse' Institutes...

    That's the downside of an open democracy though isn't it?

    I do think censorship is feeding the inner Putin, but if there is even a sniff of intelligence gathering security services should be all over them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    The Chinese hold trillions of US debt. Which is no good to them at all if the US turns around and puts down strict sanctions. Russia has a big warchest of foreign currency which is effectively worthless to them while sanctions are enforced.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,768 ✭✭✭Homelander



    Every country had collaborators. It doesn't mean the actual country as an overall entity sided with Germany. It's actually pretty pathetically low for you to even post that, when you know full well how many countless millions upon millions of Ukrainian people died and suffered greatly for the Soviet Union during WW2 fighting Nazi Germany.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Apparently, there is an age differential. Older people are much more likely to believe the non stop lies / propaganda being pumped out by state TV. Younger people are more sceptical (less likely to watch TV at all and have far greater access to social media).



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