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Would be unusual in the extreme for regions of a country not to become independent but instead become part of another one (one could see why the current ruling country would have a problem with this).

Sorry your wrong ,

The most involvement the west had was handing out Cookies to injured Ukrainians that had been shot by Russian s.

Don't waste your time with the leaked call either , Yanukovych was elected off of lies and Russian involvement ,he was a total fraud from the start

What individual countries recognise is irrelevant. The UN recognises Palestine. The UN does not recognise the outcome of the Crimean vote.

Whataboutery. we are talking about regions with millions of people, not houses or villages.

Total BS. Its well documented that western intelligence agencies incl CIA were playing an important role in Euromaidan. There are a variety of leaked documents proving their involvement too. Wikileaks had several exposes on it too.

Euromaidan was a power play to replace a Russia backed puppet with a Western backed puppet.

Airbus & Boeing have essentially shut down all operations within Russia, stopped access to manuals and parts and placed restrictions on maintenance globally so that even if Russia flew a plane to another country, technicians there wouldn't be allowed to work on them. By some reports this means there's basically about 2-3 weeks left for the Russian commercial air industry

About two thirds of the Russian fleets are Boeing and Airbus with the remaining 330 odd planes coming from other manufacturers, so yes it is a massive blow to the Russian airline industry, but there will be limited services still running, how that is arranged will be interesting to see.

Also their new Irkut MC-21 uses a lot of western parts, so that will be put on the back burner too.

No there is not sorry ,

One supposed leaked phone call and cookies adds up to fauq all

Indeed we are so when does a region become eligible for independence?? Is it when they hit 1 million? Or is it 2 Million? Why?

Different interviews that are on Polish webpages with people having private contacts in Russia show that the Kremlin propaganda is working fine internally. Even Russians from big cities like Moscow do believe that Russians are being killed in Ukraine and Putin's army went there to protect them. Obviously all western media are showing fake news. I guess we have to wait for the sanctions to kick it to make them think that maybe it's not a peace keeping operation.

Jaysus

Multiple polls at the time showed that a clear majority of people in those regions did not favour joining Russia, but before anything could be done these armed "separatists" suddenly appeared as a violent force, incredibly well-armed with the latest Russian hardware, backed by Russian soldiers "on holiday", able to shoot down transport aircraft and airliners.

The whole thing is horseshit, yes the place was Russia-centric, yes there was talk of some federal independence that year from Kyiv, but there was little desire to "separate and join Russia". Moscow manufactured that crisis in S.E Ukraine, it was an invasion by proxy, a very clever mechanism that could deter Ukraine as a whole from joining NATO.

They can discuss it when queuing for basic items like food etc.

Propaganda will only go so far but surely questions will be asked as poverty hits them overnight.

@timmyntc wrote:

When you claim that (at least) 28 independent democratic governments can conspire together to install a "puppet" government in another country, one would expect that at some point some evidence would emerge about this conspiracy. I mean, not only did Putin conspire to put a puppet in government in Ukraine and Belarus, we also have a shedload of evidence for it.

Yet somehow, despite multiple elections, governance changes and diplomatic disagreements, all of the EU members have managed to keep evidence of this grand conspiracy under wraps.

Seems just a bit far-fetched.