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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    Have a look at the Real Life Lore video on YouTube.

    This war was always going to happen. It’s about oil/gas and water for Crimea.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,597 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    This lady crying at Boris because abramovich and Putin's children are in mansions in London and Netherlands. It's pretty disturbing, does she think we should punish children for the sins of their parents? We would be no better than the oligarchs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    So untill there is a document by the UN you will not condone the invasion of russia into the Ukraine? Yeah you need be kicked off on a 24h boat and train ride home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,789 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Send them back to Russia and strip the assets


    Im sure all this lovey dovey shite flies in your world. But these people get to live in absolute western luxury here but prop up dictators at home whom send boys to die abroad. The Russian people are being robbed of their money and their sons.

    But you want to ignore all that and give people hugs...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Nobody would be suggesting hurting the children but they should be sent home.

    Surely if the West was that evil. himself and his Oligarchs would be delighted to have their children educated in Russia instead


    If I had children in Kiev, I'd probably be calling for Putin's kids to be sent to Kiev and strapped to the front of a hospital.......not to hurt them of course, but the let them experience what their day is doing to the Ukrainian kids .. educational like.

    In reality that should never be done. But it's easy for me to say that from here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Mike3549


    He posted the same sh!te yesterday or couple of days ago, prob will do the same again in 2 days



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 823 ✭✭✭Liberty_Bear


    Curious as to know what the state of mind of Putin and how he has not been challenged. Today a former Russian foreign affairs minister called on all diplomats to resign en masse, a noble call but hollow gesture to say the least. Just read an article that looked at the psychology behind Putin. The article drew a conclusion to Nixon during the war in Vietnam in that Nixon threatened nuclear war in the vain attempt to believe that the Viet Cong would come to the negotiation table. Putin has come to epitomize evil a friend opined to me this eve over coffee. I want to think that there are no evil men in the world however seeing that cold dead eyes of Putin mixed with his frosty rhetoric I firmly believe the man is well and truly unhinged beyond any sort of rationalization or sensible reasoning that diplomats might do. Another thing - his body language, look at how he nearly practically sat on the lap of Lukashenko of Belarus, the two looking very cosy. Lukashenko at one point wanted to usurp Putin as president in an attempt to unify the two countries. Contrast this with Zelensky who is fiery but level headed. Whomever is advising Zelensky is doing a marvellous job - he has called on all legal and diplomatic solutions to be used, its extraordinary how it is working. The Russian troops morale is battered with them not having fuel or food and lack of orders. That starts with the top down and drips feed into the lower echelons through the corporals etc.

    Media outlets are blocking RT from all their platforms, the main source of disinformation for the propaganda that the Russian state wants to share along with the Sputnik newspaper. Given that there is vast amounts of bots on Facebook or teams of 'hackers' or (like the Israeli hasbra) teams of Russians who spread propganda - the social media companies have done an excellent job. Google removed a lot of the search results for RT today from their search results. Stems the tide of nonsense that Moscow are prepared to spout and curbs their ability to tell outright lies to the world.

    Worldwide Russia is now taking a battering in the cultural and sporting arenas - Eurovision, Formula 1, World Cup, Champions League, Olympics etc etc. Even our own theatres banning the ballet companies touring. None of these seem like anything of significance in the bigger picture yet collectively you look at all of these things together and its isolates them from the pursuits enjoyed by most of the ordinary Russians, people who want to cheer their country from the sidelines. They see the world not standing for their antics and they then question - are we right in what our president is doing? That sparks a cascade of unhappiness joined up by a demoralised army and then you finally come to see the piece de resistance - the economic sanctions.

    In an earlier post I put that the rouble had fallen by about 20% - a huge drop in the savings for most and the Russians responded with banning the selling of foreigh currency in large amounts and raised interest rates by 10% to 20%. Any goods that Russians want to buy online are now going to be significantly more expensive and the value of wages is going to be less giving less purchasing power to the ordinary Russians. The Russian state banks have a couple of billion to keep them afloat for the moment but cant keep going on the basis of what they currently have, something is going to have to give. Eliminating them from the Swift pay system pushes them to the brink,sparking a run on the banks that will diminish the amount of money available. Oridinary Russians will sit up thinking "we have to get rid of this mad man", 90 people were arrested today in St Petersburg for protesting the war . Russian pop stars condemned the war too.

    Audentes fortuna iuvat - Fortune favours the brave (in this case the Ukranians and the Russian working classes)...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭CrabRevolution




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,789 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    I'm going to go out on a limb and... Do exactly what the Ukrainians did in 2014 and stand up to a dictator......... Or do you not know about that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,504 ✭✭✭naughto




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 764 ✭✭✭Summer2020


    Spot on. How many of the Russian football team to give one example have come out with criticism of this. And they'd be well aware of exactly what's going on so the excuse of "the Russian people don't know there's a war/invasion" doesnt apply to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 digger1985


    I asked for facts. There are many things happened over last 8 years so it might seem as cherry-picking. I think you said you followed this conflict.

    I am just expressing my opinion the way I see it referring to what I consider independent sources. If any of my sources is not reliable, please let me know. I will try to find more reliable sources if I could.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,461 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Never said that. Please don’t put words in my mouth. There’s plenty of agricultural production capacity (corruption and lazy attitude of the locals aside) to more than produce enough to avoid starvation for their shrinking population.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    A UH-60 sub-hunting off Greece. 80knts at 900 ft now. Was hovering earlier on..

    I wonder what vessel she flew from. Nothing showing on Marine Traffic.

    Screenshot_20220301-221528_Flightradar24.jpg




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,597 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    I don't think I suggested hugs. I am merely suggesting that the only difference between them and us is that we respect the rule of law and nobody is above the law. We do not bend the law when it suits us for political means (or at least less so). If we start to expell people based on circumstances beyond their control and where they have not committed any crimes, then we are no different than they are and we might as well give up because we will be just one tyrannical culture fighting another.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Crocodile Booze




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,527 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    I thought this was an incredible read, heartbreaking but really paints a real picture (for want of a better phrase).


    I think it's easy to feel powerless to help here in Ireland. I donated some blankets for a pickup in Dublin and some money to the Red Cross...I am not sure what else we can do? Bar writing to TDs etc?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 digger1985


    I hate to break it you but we did and still do in some sectors.

    Well, pardon my ignorance then. Can you please clarify what sectors you are referring to? I know that Gaelic is a mandatory subject in government-funded schools, but you probably meant something else.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,187 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    You said food and medicine deliveries to Russia should be stopped.

    You also said:

    Yes. I’d have no issue with it whatsoever. That’s war and their government has chosen. Hopefully all covered under the bulk of the sanctions in any case.

    Are you 100% sure they are self sufficient and stopping deliveries won’t cause famine or suffering due to lack of medicine?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,597 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    We are not tyrants, we have a rule of law. We don't expell people that have committed no crimes. We are not Russia, that's the point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,767 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I would have no problim in not being any better than the oligarchs, however: Putin and the oligachs are happy to kill children in Ukraine and you think sanctions on the children of oligarchs that comromise their lifestyle while not a hair on their head is harmed, would make us as bad as them?

    Another person whose moral compass is out of alighnment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,597 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Protest= immediate arrest

    Vote=ignored

    Organize= death

    I am not saying they shouldn't do one of these three things but I don't blame them for choosing not to.

    I certainly wouldn't call them cowards, I think most Irish people would do the same in the same situation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 939 ✭✭✭snowstorm445


    This is it. I'm quite sceptical that we'll see any mass movement erupting in response to this. It was reassuring to see protests over the weekend but in a country of 144 million people they were a drop in the ocean realistically. And probably a small minority who are aware of the outside world, not representative of most Russians (I hope I'm wrong).

    Experience in a lot of different parts of the world has shown that the harder the sanctioning and the isolation, the harder the siege mentality becomes. Think the Afrikaners in South Africa at the end of apartheid. Or loyalists in Northern Ireland. Or even Brexiteers in Britain. Nationalism and the temptation to blame anyone but yourself is easier than owning up to your flaws. Even if it means personal hardship.

    The Russians could become the most despised nation on Earth and a great mass of people there will wear that distinction with pride. To quote Millwall fans, "No one likes us, we don't care".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 991 ✭✭✭cubatahavana


    I didn’t see this. I’m not too much into music so I was not aware. Fair play to them. Still, nothing from, let’s say, the Russian football or basketball players in Europe/USA. They’re people that could set an example.

    I’m glad to hear from other comments that some ordinary Russians are protesting through Europe, but I would expect more. Instead I’ve seen in this thread what I believe are Russian people defending the war and accusing Ukraine of intimidating Russia.

    Maybe I have a different mentality, but if my country was doing this, I’d be ashamed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    He destroys/weakens Ukaraine and gets control of the areas with oil/gas… he has a achieved his goals…a few peace talks and he gets away with his war crimes…hopefully he fails in Ukraine and faces a trial



  • Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I wonder was the password of digger1985's account before being taken possession by this fellow abcd1234 or banana or password.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Well considering I didn't say anything like that, indeed was pointing out how Russians at home may feel(I didn't even mention Russians abroad), it seems you have the propaganda double speak, deflection and lying well under control.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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