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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    If that was true, then China would be in trouble for their camps for Uighur Muslims



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,764 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    As an Australian, could I please ask you to get a new username because I find that one deeply offensive, thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,661 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    What you said was to quote "The truth of their stories or our stories aren't really important. It's just Important to know what the stories are"

    When I want some "stories" I read fiction or I watch a film (I should probably stop reading this thread and do that...).

    When I want "news" or to know what is happening, I want something as close to the "truth" as possible within all the (often large) limits of biases and failings of humans, and that does matter. What Russia and its mouths like the Ambassador here or its media are giving us as the facts of the matter right now (their "story" if you will) seems to be to be very far from such truth, at much further distance than the Western media "story".

    There is an objective reality somewhere out there IMO, even as regards human events and history. 

    I feel edit: that fairly deeply and think if we throw our hands up and say its all "stories" + the truth doesn't matter (what is truth etc.?) as quote above from you implies and there is no point trying to get your hands on reality, we are very lost and without hope.

    I don't understand relativism or postmodern ideas or such at all, which is I think maybe where you are coming from with your posts (which are not at all appropriate for this thread or indeed perhaps the whole forum anyway, hence why I was sarcastic). I have not studied it or read about it, that is not my background at all so no doubt you'll be full of the quotes and arguments to convince me truth does not exist, there's no objective reality out there etc. 

    Post edited by fly_agaric on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,461 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    It’s all about profile though- those massacres don’t have the same effect due to distance culture and geography. Sadly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,783 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Yes very much a case of 'the beatings will continue till morale improves'...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    dont forget the Roma, or Gypsies, with estimates of the number killed ranging from up to 1.5 million

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Right. The Ukrainians are under invasion, morale is absolutely critical to their survival, of course there will be stories or exaggerations.

    The guys on Snake Island did tell the Russians to go "**** themselves", we have an audio feed of the exchange, and they did come under heavy fire right after. It was presumed they died, but new information has come to light that they survived and were captured.

    As for the situation, it's not difficult to understand, plenty of global press outlets you can source and follow this from



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The German connection goes back almost to the two partitions in the 18th century, when western Poland would have been Prussian. Russia got eastern Poland and Austria got the south and parts of modern Ukraine including Lviv under the banner of Galicia. The German and Austrian parts were run in a civilised way but the Russians rapidly developed a reputation for savage brutality and there are many stories of them wiping out entire villages and all that goes with that as reprisals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 digger1985


    Do you mean it stands for 'Soldier'? I do not imply this meaning, and like somebody already checked my account was created in 2018. If it is against any Boards rules, can you please point what the rule is and what exactly offended you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 521 ✭✭✭DontHitTheDitch


    Sweet Jeebus, the Russians really don't know what they are up against. Tank fires at your window, hmmm, maybe I can still watch from the other one!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,391 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    There certainly was oppression under communism. However, some of it was precisely due to historical nazi collaboration and sympathizing which again resurfaced after soviet union collapse. You may want to do some reading about stuff like Latvian legion, 1st Lithuanian SS division and UPA with Bandera in ukraine, Slovak republic during the WWII... Plenty of collaborators and what is even worse these ideas are resurfacing in all of mentioned countries without much of a protest from "democratic" western states.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,181 ✭✭✭Field east


    Saw on to last nite a briefing meeting between Putin and two of his top army/navy/ air officers. The two of the. Looked very burly , 65 to 70+ year old, well fed looking, etc, etc. they looked the part - very serious look on their faces . It was not the three individuals that struck me . . What struck me was the long table strategy again . It was nearly as long as the Macron meeting one and it was SQUARE. The second point that jumped out was that the two officers were at the VERY OPPOSITE END of the table - specifically the very last two chairs on the right hand side while Putin sat at the far end of the table. The only reason I think for those ‘positions ‘ to be taken up was because Putin was afraid that he might have been strangled by one/ both of them. If either of the two ‘boys’ made an ‘unexpected ‘ move - especially towards Putin , either by a movement indicating that a gun might be produced , l

    dashing towards him to strangle him, he Putin, would have some time to duck, make good his escape, or whatever

    the meeting was also in a huge big room.

    or was the whole thing a setup to keep us all guessing what kind of a condition he has, etc

    it was such a weird looking meeting

    the only clue to it being choreographed/staged was the fact that they forgot to use their hearing aids - because of their ages surely at least one of the six ears needed a hearing aid. Also none of the six eyes apparent.y needed glasses - no sign of a glass case in front of any of them. No sign of bottled water in sight AND on the understanding that Putin is paranoid about catching Covid there was not a mask in sight. The two BIG BOYS at the end were sitting beside eachother



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    FWIW the above post is pretty much letter perfect an example of what many if not most of the Russians I've known think to one degree or another. It's a near perfect script and doesn't require bots. The bot thing in many ways is a red herring. They don't really need them.

    This is a good example of their WW2/Great patriotic war propaganda that never went away*.

    It is now popular to say that Russia attacked Poland in WW2. I would say it was attacked but there were some reasons for it. How things would go if Russia did not attack Poland with Germany? Not sure, but splitting Poland makes some sense in terms of future German expansion eastward.

    The stuff they've grown up listening to has developed a twisted logic all of its own that somehow makes sense. To them. This is what you end up when a people are lied to for generations and from birth. I mean you can get many millions to buy into a virgin birth so... Note he says: I would say it was attacked but there were some reasons for it. You could not make that level of cognative dissonance up. Imagine a German of today saying the same thing about carving up Poland but from their side? He probably glosses over the near end of the war Warsaw uprising where the Soviets were suspiciously keen to let it go on without them. Nor that Hitler and Stalin, both inhuman pricks had agreed to carve up the place before the war kicked off, or how Stalin crapped himself when the Germans invaded Russia, sat in Moscow with his special train running to get him to the East. Or how his purges cut the best heads of the Russian army even before the war. Their official history has him as this amazing strategist who brought the Germans into a pincer movement by clever thinking. Never mind that carving Poland up would have had little effect as a barrier to the Nazis. Try looking at a map with open eyes.

    *Now the West has its own propaganda too of course. The Yanks think they won the European war and Hollywood thinks they won everything. Look at Saving Private Ryan. Great film, but I'm surprised the Germans were even in it. The British turned a total ballsup like Dunkirk where their army was squarely trounced and they had to run away. Claim the Battle of Britain was a close run thing(it wasn't. They would have tried hard to lose it and very nearly did). They also handily forget how they treated the Poles and Czechs after the war, including men and women that fought for them. The French make much of their famed resistance and if there were 20 men and women in it you'd be lucky and many of them weren't French. The Italians prefer to forget the whole thing and the Japanese got amnesia handed to them by the Americans, when it suited. Hell we Irish have our own. If the number of people whose great grandparents were in the GPO in Easter 1916, the queue to get into O'Connell street would have stretched to Wicklow town.

    However the singular fundamental difference is I can say all of the above in the West, I can point to sources, I can publish a book, say it on telly, say it on here, rant away to my heart's content and I won't have a member of the KGusedtoB at my door. Worst crap I'll get is a downvote on reddit. So tell me Komrade, could I say similar in Mother Russia about the bull that's taken as fact there? Yeah, good luck with that.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Kharkiv, Kherson and Mariupol are now likely encircled by Russian forces now and Kyiv will also be soon, we are about to witness multiple synchronized massacres across a country, the like of which has not been seen since WW2 or the Balkans war on a smaller scale, genocide?

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,461 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    “Some” oppression. Lol.

    Katyn massacre. Pure savages



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,090 ✭✭✭Homelander


    I mean seriously, they are chalk and cheese examples when it comes to the discussion of propaganda and biased reporting of facts.

    Russia is invading a completely sovereign country on the most transparent excuses imaginable and is bombing civilian centres out of sheer desperation and frustration because none of this played out like they expected, or perhaps hoped.

    Their own state media aren't reporting anything remotely close to the reality of what's happening.

    Ukraine bigging up the accomplishments of their armed forces to boost morale while attacking enemy morale is hardly even remotely comparable.

    More generally, do Russian people actually share such a level of paranoia of their President that they think every single country in the free world is part of some enormous global conspiracy against Russia....even countries in continents outside of North America and Europe.

    Russia's only true vocal allies in all of this, tiny Belarus, it's dictator saved from being overthrown by Russian intervention recently, and Syria....well, we know how that went.

    The simple reality is that Russia invaded it's neighbor on a non-existant pretext, no different to the one Germany used to invade Poland. It's that black and white. That is the narrative, regardless of what fibs Ukraine is telling in terms of its defense capabilities/achievements.

    Everything, anything, that seeks to question or deflect that actual narrative, is just whataboutery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,890 ✭✭✭✭briany




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    What? Navalny, an opposition figure, was poisoned with Novichok in 2020. He's now residing in a Russian jail

    The two men who were caught on CCTV in Salisbury on the day of Skripal poisoning, who claimed on Russian TV they were gym owners or some ****, a story which was backed by Putin, turned out to be two FSB agents (one of whom was decorated by Putin), their photographs left on the wall of the academy

    You apparently know nothing about the incident, yet notice how you immediately try to cast doubt on it.

    This is why people are sick of the Putinbots who come in here with their "I don't know what's going on, both sides are the same" BS.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Mike3549


    Jesus, where does the op sympathise nazis? But it is true, my grandparents said the same thing. Germans came, ate and drank everything, 2 days later they were paid for the damage. With russians youre lucky if youre still alive and not raped. Of course if youre jew, well then its a different story. German soldiers were brainwashed just like russians today, following their orders. Watch a 'Pianist', movie based on a true story about Polish jew pianist. Nazi general helped him with food and water, hid him from other nazis. Of course its a movie you say and even if its based on true story they usually make it look better/worse, but point stands, German soldiers were less evil to regular human being than russians in our eastern european non jewish experience

    edit: theres a tiny little possibility that when we were in soviet union, we didnt like mother russia, our grandparents sweetened the story, or we were a bit brainwashed aswell



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,980 ✭✭✭buried


    The Geman's ran the place in a 'civilised way'? Was this during World War 2 when they butchered over 4 million Ukranian people and sent another 2.2 million of them back to Germany as nothing but slaves?

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭marieholmfan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Boyd-Barrett, Murphy, Wallace, Daly et Al have been cheerleaded and promoted in the media for years. They have zip nationwide support but are constantly given platforms to for issues that the media are friendly too. When they come out with their batshit crazy things the Irish media turn a blind eye to them.

    They created these monsters. I am not saying deplatform them, I don't believe in it. But FFS you can't just turn a blind eye for when they show their true colours, and promote them when they are saying things they agree with.



  • Posts: 9,106 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The more I think about it the more this was Putin saying “I want to negotiate with NATO”- he doesn’t give a sh1t about Ukraine- he wants to talk to the big boys - he set out to use Ukraine to get a strong negotiation position with NATO - and it’s gone tits up due to the dire sanctions and the resistance and the propaganda campaign of Ukraine

    And now there’s no visible way back for him to save face- I’m worried now - there’s some green shoots with Russian Oligarchs coming out disagreeing with the invasion- hopefully they might forge a way forward



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,764 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Great to see someone making an effort. Personally I think it would be better without the music with vocals. Human brains can't paralell process so a lot of any audience will get hooked on listening to the lyrics, rather than reading the text. Dark, sombre and threatening music would better suit the subject matter.

    Something more like The Art of Noise - Instruments of Darkness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭rogber


    What do you do if you're the Ukrainian government at this stage? Capitulate to these scumbags? Obviously no one wants to do that.

    But refuse to surrender and in the process risk seeing countless thousands of your compatriots killed for a war that without outside military intervention that is clearly not coming you have no chance of winning? Not to mention the destruction of all the infrastructure, culture, etc.

    An absolutely no-win situation.

    What chance do Zelensky, Klitschko etc even have of getting out of Kiev alive if the city is encircled? Are they determined to go down fighting and take half the country with them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,461 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    A in Higher level History. No idea what a group cert is. Sounds like something only geriatrics would be familiar with.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,097 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Statement from Russian deserter

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