Russia - threadbanned users in OP

rogber · 01-03-2022 02:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118713973#Comment_118713973

Yes that's all very obvious but there comes a point where you still have to stand up to these people. Bombing that convoy is just as likely to make the russians reconsider their aims as it is to make them launch nukes.

is_that_so · 01-03-2022 02:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118713946#Comment_118713946

It doesn't. He and his country are being squeezed in every conceivable way but that will take a lot longer than this attempted annexation. It's not in anyone's interest to spread this thing to the rest of Europe. This is new to Putin, a country willing and determined to fight back and with some extremely powerful friends. He is quite probably finished because of this.

Gile_na_gile · 01-03-2022 02:15PM

Sounds like today could be the worst day of this conflict:

1) Airstrikes have been announced by the Russian Ministry of Defence: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60542877

2) As was actually well covered by guests on CB Live, Putin has likely set a new deadline for tonight to take Kyiv with his amassed forces (Bellingcat CEO), and as Misha Glenny said, his whole legacy is now hinged on this success given that the earlier spec ops mission failed.

The female MP who spoke from Kyiv on CB made it very clear, that the country was being overun with vermin.... Not sure I would say about that about conscripts but the point was fair from her perspective. Because of the deadline, because of the Russian's limited capacity to soak of this pressure, and because of massive global opposition, Putin has to take Kyiv in two days or withdraw back his troops to Russia, Belarus, and DPR-LPR annexed territory. If this becomes a bloodbath like Aleppo or Mosul, on European soil, with thousands upon thousands of civilian deaths, then escalation is more likely.

I can imagine in the Middle East there is a sense of "now you know what it was like" as we see Europeans being slaughtered instead (by other Europeans). Hopefully, the attack will have limited success, and the shelters will do their job and protect the remaining populace.

briany · 01-03-2022 02:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118713946#Comment_118713946

Pretty much, yeah. Why do you think countries want to get them? America's attitude to North Korea softened considerably when they set the seismometer off that time.

gandalf · 01-03-2022 02:16PM

Looks like the Crimeans didn't want a part of Putins criminal war and invasion.

https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/status/1498587998627282945?t=GkWREbceDVAZor4QI2mbfA&s=19

rob316 · 01-03-2022 02:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118713946#Comment_118713946

Nuclear weapons have actually been good for the world, we live in the longest time of western peace. The perfect deterrent for major wars.

rogber · 01-03-2022 02:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118713978#Comment_118713978

I agree. Peace in Europe should not be achieved with the blood of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians on European hands, which is what is going to happen if there isn't serious deterrent to the Russians soon.

The Ukrainian government is starting to sound desperate and their messages to Europe are already starting to shift from "thank you for all your help" to "please don't abandon us to this."

AhFrayedKnot · 01-03-2022 02:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118713883#Comment_118713883

why he is fond of abandoning his own country let alone someone elses

is_that_so · 01-03-2022 02:17PM

Transport Secretary Grant Shapps says the UK has passed a law banning ships with "any Russian connection" from entering its ports.

Dohnjoe · 01-03-2022 02:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118713940#Comment_118713940

Have you watched it? He twists everything into a distorted narrative, for example, he repeatedly claims that the Russian army aren't attacking civilians, we know that's BS, we have countless videos of it occurring. The country he is in is being invaded, men, women and children are losing their lives, and what he finds most despicable? The Ukrainians handing out weapons to civilians to defend themselves. He says that everything in the "mainstream" media is lies. He's the usual rabid anti-West crank, he seems to think that because he is in Kyiv right now, that validates all his world views. He's in for a shock when Kyiv comes under attack, but I'm sure he'll convince himself that the Ukrainians are shelling their own city or some BS.

Wibbs · 01-03-2022 02:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118713786#Comment_118713786

Oh I agree with you, but he makes some good points about how I suspect the Russians originally planned this(TBH I only watches the first couple of minutes). They assumed more local Ukrainian support for a start. They initially seem to have avoided targeting civillians. Even now to some degree. QV the people on the streets trying to stop Russian convoys and no shooting kicks off, yet. This helps their own mostly conscript troops feel less bad too. No amount of spin will explain troops mowing down civillians in a 'peacekeeping' mission. Doubly so when they look and sound like you. They didn't take out the interwebs, the phone network, the water supply, the electricity. As he pointed out quite different to how the US 'shock and awe' blitzkreig tactics in their various foreign misadventures. Hell, go back to WW2 and in most cases both the Axis and Allies tried to hit infrastructure first. A population with no leccy, phones, water and food is a population far less likely to resist when you roll in the tanks and more likely to give up their leadership too.

The problem for the Soviets, sorry Russians, is their plan didn't survive first contact with their enemy, as plans often don't. They seem to have thought drop troops and capture the airport, fire tanks and support vehicles from the east and by the time they got there Kyiv would be sown up and their leader dead from falling out of a first floor window. They faced widespread popular resistence, both militarily and more, from the ordinary people of Ukraine, far higher than they expected. The fact they invaded with what seems like a much more ragtag force than has been massed since seems to show this. They also clearly didn't expect the level of international outcry and punative response either. They reckoned it would be Crimea with some extra mumbling. Now they're backed into a corner. Putin can't stop now. He can't be seen to stop now. Unless someone somewhere pulls off the diplomacy of history Ukraine, or at least Kyiv will fall. Putin needs a win before he comes to any negotiation table, or he's a dead man walking.

is_that_so · 01-03-2022 02:19PM

A heads up to Kyiv, Kremlin style!

The Russian military said Tuesday it will carry out strikes against the facilities in Kyiv, warning civilians living near the areas to leave.

The Russians will target the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) and the 72nd Main Centre for Information and Psychological Operations (PSO) in Kyiv, the Russian defence ministry said in a statement Tuesday via Russian state news agency TASS.

Mike Murdock · 01-03-2022 02:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118714049#Comment_118714049

Now, now. He was sent home.

01-03-2022 02:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118713992#Comment_118713992

But surely these billionaires could collectively organise that he’s “taken out” and some military head with a grasp on reality installed in his place? I thought the oligarchs had the biggest power in Russia?

Gile_na_gile · 01-03-2022 02:22PM

Sirens have started already: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_BVCDVN-2Q

rob316 · 01-03-2022 02:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118714008#Comment_118714008

Is it though, would you accept that risk? Escalate the conflict beyond Ukraine and potentially into a world war? The "maybes" and "could" are far more unpredictable and dangerous than letting Ukraine unfortunately be slaughtered.

Atlantic Dawn · 01-03-2022 02:25PM

Have we banned Russian registered ships from docking in Irish ports? There's a Russian ship, Pola Feodosia due to dock in Aughinish tomorrow night.

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/shipid:5681649/zoom:8

Bayonet · 01-03-2022 02:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118714084#Comment_118714084

They HAD political power. Now that power is with Putin because of his popularity. If he was hated, the oligarchs would have more sway. The ones that helped to install Putin were allowed to stay, the ones who were against Putin were either banished or had accidents. Now if he goes completely off the rails and whispering starts in the upper echelons of power, then we're talking. No sign of that though.

Dohnjoe · 01-03-2022 02:27PM

Slight progress from China

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1498660238123278340

briany · 01-03-2022 02:28PM

Where is the Ukrainian airforce at this point?

Where is Zelensky? Still in Kyiv?

Are there militia hiding within the city?

Everything seems so eerily quiet on the Ukrainian side.

Then again, it's possible that all that just isn't being spoken about by the media to prevent giving the Russians an easier time of gathering intelligence.

Wibbs · 01-03-2022 02:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118713978#Comment_118713978

The difference here and it's where your logic goes out the window like an enemy of Putin. Hitler could not have caused a mass extinction event on this planet that would wipe out humanity, or reduce our numbers to a few thousand. If only a quarter of the atomic horror stockpile was detonated in war it would be not far off what happened when the dinosaurs(and many many others) went extinct. That's the big fúcking difference.

Ten of Swords · 01-03-2022 02:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118713220#Comment_118713220

Mod - Your point has been sufficiently made but now we're getting off topic, stick to the topic of the thread

Furze99 · 01-03-2022 02:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118713755#Comment_118713755

That's when force meets an unmovable object and we should all be concerned. Every situation has it's breaking point.

omega man · 01-03-2022 02:32PM

The west can only keep the supplies of lethal and non lethal aid pumping into the Ukrainians indefinitely.

Anyone outside of the Ukraine calling for direct military intervention are clearly not thinking rationally which is understandable but not helpful.

FintanMcluskey · 01-03-2022 02:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118714127#Comment_118714127

Its Russian registered, doesnt mean its Russian cargo

Likely carrying coal.

The West will have to cut off its arm yet.

We have became as dependent on Russia as they are on us

Wibbs · 01-03-2022 02:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118714046#Comment_118714046

I agree. Peace in Europe should not be achieved with the blood of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians on European hands, which is what is going to happen if there isn't serious deterrent to the Russians soon.

For pity's sake man, do you not understand that if WW3 kicks off many many millions will die and many many millions more will rue the day they didn't? I really don't think people comprehend the difference between a normal bomb going off and a nuclear detonation. You know those thermobaric bombs we've read about and how awful they are? Yes they're horrendous, but even a small yield atomic bomb makes one of them look like a banger you'd set off on halloween. In Hiroshima and Nagasaki 200,000 people died and many more suffered for years afterward from just two bombs whose yield would be considered 'small' by today's standards.

This is the singular problem with trying to deal with someone with the ability and quite possibly the will to use such devices and it makes lazy comparisons to Hitler pretty much pointless.

Bayonet · 01-03-2022 02:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118714151#Comment_118714151

Ukrainian airforce about to get more planes - although there seems to be dispute over that.

Zelensky is in Kyiv and just gave a speech to the EU

It seems like many towns didn't get weapons so there is no resistance. However the Russians took Kherson and I commented earlier that snipers should be there. It seems like clashes/street battles have broken out now.

Bear in mind Ukrainians are under a larger assault now, so can't have as many successes. They're digging in for street fighting.

Furze99 · 01-03-2022 02:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118714075#Comment_118714075

Sure you couldn't believe anything they spout anymore.

Bayonet · 01-03-2022 02:39PM

Russians now blowing up malls. Just hit one in Kherson city.

01-03-2022 02:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118713773#Comment_118713773

**** me, that was a sickening 19m watch. That was some slick piece of propaganda - I don't even think he'd a gun to his head, it was too polished.

Basically, the Russians only want security and they don't want to kill Ukrainians, but admits millions will die because the dumb Ukrainians just wont lie down for the Russians.

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