There seems to be a revisionist narrative going around that they were specifically told to lay off civilians and target very specific things. When in fact they were told that zelenski had laid down his tools and they were to drive to the nearest cities where they would be greeted with arms open.
True, though both could have been in play without any revisionism. Lay off civillians because you won't have to engage them as they want to see you and it'll be all over bar the shouting by the time you roll into Kyiv with your tanks and men after special forces have taken the airports and marched on Kyiv and removed the leadership.
"I'm not fan of Putin but"
And the mask slips.
This idea, spread by the Kremlin, that there was some sort of 'genocide' going on in Donbass is absolute horseshit. And you calling it 'discrimination' like discrimination is an excuse to invade a country, seems utterly ridiculous. Yes, in war time (especially a war to capture your country) governments do force people to sign up to defend the country. Zelensky has done nothing wrong in requiring men of fighting age to fight for their country.
A brave man to speak his mind then from the centre of soon to be obliterated Kyiv, no ?
Some of the images coming out of Kharkiv of buildings completely destroyed are really bad. Up there with the worst of Russia war adventures of the last 20 years.
Same might happen Kiev tonight.
No unbias links to any evidence to support those claims im guessing?
I read a military analysis saying the Russian Army are very shy about advancing into a city after the Battle of Grozny in the First Chechen War in the '90s.
Basically the Russian military lost a big part of an entire brigade which had quickly entered Grozny, moved into the city centre only to be surrounded and cut off, with terrible communications, no reconnaissance capabilities and then were massacred by Chechen missiles fired from strategic high locations. Morale collapsed and they were lots of desertions and Russian commanders were disciplined afterwards.
That left a very painful memory in the Russian collective memory and there's a sort of understanding not to make the mistakes made by the generals during that first Chechen war.
So that might have something to do with the Russian forces sitting outside of Kiev and Kharkiv and not charging right in, shelling these cities from the outside and waiting for huge reinforcements. Its possible they're hoping to somehow take these cities without entering them first.
Theres a vast amount of evidence showing that the troops on the ground and indeed their immediate command were lied to on where they were going or why they were going there. There seems to be a revisionist narrative going around that they were specifically told to lay off civilians and target very specific things. When in fact they were told that zelenski had laid down his tools and they were to drive to the nearest cities where they would be greeted with arms open. Perhaps the military leadership knew it would be a hard sell to get them to go in the first place.
I'm regards leaving the comms and power. It's been shown from all of the captured equipment that the Russians are using off the shelf retail radios and phone GPS maps to find their way around and navigate and communicate. For this reason theyve had to leave infrastructure in place otherwise they'd be even more shagged. They Dont have even basic military comms and guidance.
Theres a rewriting of reality going on and people seem to be willing or happy to swallow the decent guys lie....
**** me, that was a sickening 19m watch. That was some slick piece of propaganda - I don't even think he'd a gun to his head, it was too polished.
Basically, the Russians only want security and they don't want to kill Ukrainians, but admits millions will die because the dumb Ukrainians just wont lie down for the Russians.
Russians now blowing up malls. Just hit one in Kherson city.
Sure you couldn't believe anything they spout anymore.
Ukrainian airforce about to get more planes - although there seems to be dispute over that.
Zelensky is in Kyiv and just gave a speech to the EU
It seems like many towns didn't get weapons so there is no resistance. However the Russians took Kherson and I commented earlier that snipers should be there. It seems like clashes/street battles have broken out now.
Bear in mind Ukrainians are under a larger assault now, so can't have as many successes. They're digging in for street fighting.
I agree. Peace in Europe should not be achieved with the blood of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians on European hands, which is what is going to happen if there isn't serious deterrent to the Russians soon.
For pity's sake man, do you not understand that if WW3 kicks off many many millions will die and many many millions more will rue the day they didn't? I really don't think people comprehend the difference between a normal bomb going off and a nuclear detonation. You know those thermobaric bombs we've read about and how awful they are? Yes they're horrendous, but even a small yield atomic bomb makes one of them look like a banger you'd set off on halloween. In Hiroshima and Nagasaki 200,000 people died and many more suffered for years afterward from just two bombs whose yield would be considered 'small' by today's standards.
This is the singular problem with trying to deal with someone with the ability and quite possibly the will to use such devices and it makes lazy comparisons to Hitler pretty much pointless.
Its Russian registered, doesnt mean its Russian cargo
Likely carrying coal.
The West will have to cut off its arm yet.
We have became as dependent on Russia as they are on us
The west can only keep the supplies of lethal and non lethal aid pumping into the Ukrainians indefinitely.
Anyone outside of the Ukraine calling for direct military intervention are clearly not thinking rationally which is understandable but not helpful.
That's when force meets an unmovable object and we should all be concerned. Every situation has it's breaking point.
Mod - Your point has been sufficiently made but now we're getting off topic, stick to the topic of the thread
The difference here and it's where your logic goes out the window like an enemy of Putin. Hitler could not have caused a mass extinction event on this planet that would wipe out humanity, or reduce our numbers to a few thousand. If only a quarter of the atomic horror stockpile was detonated in war it would be not far off what happened when the dinosaurs(and many many others) went extinct. That's the big fúcking difference.
Where is the Ukrainian airforce at this point?
Where is Zelensky? Still in Kyiv?
Are there militia hiding within the city?
Everything seems so eerily quiet on the Ukrainian side.
Then again, it's possible that all that just isn't being spoken about by the media to prevent giving the Russians an easier time of gathering intelligence.
Slight progress from China
They HAD political power. Now that power is with Putin because of his popularity. If he was hated, the oligarchs would have more sway. The ones that helped to install Putin were allowed to stay, the ones who were against Putin were either banished or had accidents. Now if he goes completely off the rails and whispering starts in the upper echelons of power, then we're talking. No sign of that though.
Have we banned Russian registered ships from docking in Irish ports? There's a Russian ship, Pola Feodosia due to dock in Aughinish tomorrow night.
https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/shipid:5681649/zoom:8
Is it though, would you accept that risk? Escalate the conflict beyond Ukraine and potentially into a world war? The "maybes" and "could" are far more unpredictable and dangerous than letting Ukraine unfortunately be slaughtered.
Sirens have started already: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_BVCDVN-2Q
But surely these billionaires could collectively organise that he’s “taken out” and some military head with a grasp on reality installed in his place? I thought the oligarchs had the biggest power in Russia?
Now, now. He was sent home.
A heads up to Kyiv, Kremlin style!
The Russian military said Tuesday it will carry out strikes against the facilities in Kyiv, warning civilians living near the areas to leave.
The Russians will target the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) and the 72nd Main Centre for Information and Psychological Operations (PSO) in Kyiv, the Russian defence ministry said in a statement Tuesday via Russian state news agency TASS.
Oh I agree with you, but he makes some good points about how I suspect the Russians originally planned this(TBH I only watches the first couple of minutes). They assumed more local Ukrainian support for a start. They initially seem to have avoided targeting civillians. Even now to some degree. QV the people on the streets trying to stop Russian convoys and no shooting kicks off, yet. This helps their own mostly conscript troops feel less bad too. No amount of spin will explain troops mowing down civillians in a 'peacekeeping' mission. Doubly so when they look and sound like you. They didn't take out the interwebs, the phone network, the water supply, the electricity. As he pointed out quite different to how the US 'shock and awe' blitzkreig tactics in their various foreign misadventures. Hell, go back to WW2 and in most cases both the Axis and Allies tried to hit infrastructure first. A population with no leccy, phones, water and food is a population far less likely to resist when you roll in the tanks and more likely to give up their leadership too.
The problem for the Soviets, sorry Russians, is their plan didn't survive first contact with their enemy, as plans often don't. They seem to have thought drop troops and capture the airport, fire tanks and support vehicles from the east and by the time they got there Kyiv would be sown up and their leader dead from falling out of a first floor window. They faced widespread popular resistence, both militarily and more, from the ordinary people of Ukraine, far higher than they expected. The fact they invaded with what seems like a much more ragtag force than has been massed since seems to show this. They also clearly didn't expect the level of international outcry and punative response either. They reckoned it would be Crimea with some extra mumbling. Now they're backed into a corner. Putin can't stop now. He can't be seen to stop now. Unless someone somewhere pulls off the diplomacy of history Ukraine, or at least Kyiv will fall. Putin needs a win before he comes to any negotiation table, or he's a dead man walking.
Have you watched it? He twists everything into a distorted narrative, for example, he repeatedly claims that the Russian army aren't attacking civilians, we know that's BS, we have countless videos of it occurring. The country he is in is being invaded, men, women and children are losing their lives, and what he finds most despicable? The Ukrainians handing out weapons to civilians to defend themselves. He says that everything in the "mainstream" media is lies. He's the usual rabid anti-West crank, he seems to think that because he is in Kyiv right now, that validates all his world views. He's in for a shock when Kyiv comes under attack, but I'm sure he'll convince himself that the Ukrainians are shelling their own city or some BS.
Transport Secretary Grant Shapps says the UK has passed a law banning ships with "any Russian connection" from entering its ports.
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