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Beef Grazing 2022

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,598 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    Yes. Grazing it first will enhance quality of silage, simple as.

    if it’s maintenance fodder for suckler cows then don’t graze it and you’ll have extra bullk.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,334 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Leaving 30 weanlings out here for 4-5 hours every day. Former dairy farm so paddocks and roadways in place beside the cubicles they’re housed in. They were getting 1.5kg of meal but back to 1kg now.

    I’d like to leave them out full time but am wary of growth rates and running short at the end of the month. Might throw out a shake of fertiliser on lighter covers (sub 1000) next week if soil temp improves.

    Its all a balancing act and hedging your bets I guess

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,729 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    In Easterm case he grazes late, and if his silage ground was grazed late too then the grass shouldn't be of bad quality. I know all the talk about fresh grass stands better and longer eating in silage form, but I think there's still a happy medium and the teagasc research still only goes so far depending on the farm itself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭JustJoe7240


    Not sure of area you're grazing but it's hard to imagine 30 weanlings being able to keep up with growth, Whats your AFC?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,729 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    Im sure they'll keep it under control for the month of march at least, growth will be slow enough, especially with East winds in forecast for next week.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,661 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    Feck it, I hate the East wind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Half the silage ground grazed with sheep, half has a cover from over the winter, will leave it like that slurry and Urea on the grazed and light urea and k on the cover.


    Too many years where it was late in coming with cold weather.


    Lot to be said for a bulky crop this year.


    It's hard to know the right thing to do this year. Wouldn't be long spending everything an animal leaves behind this year.


    Thinking of being light in cattle for most of the year. Focus on next year instead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,729 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    Great drying for the ground of Longford and up the country tho with it, especially now at slurry time



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,334 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    AFC is 855. Had small weanlings in and out the whole winter so will have 30% grazed in another week. Had sheep here for a few months of winter grazing too so the place isn’t exactly overflowing with grass. Growth around 10-14 with the last week but a big range of rates across different fields. Should be OK if I can get them out for a few hours every day from here on

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,812 ✭✭✭Cavanjack


    If land was grazed late in the autumn and got a good cleaning it’ll make no difference. Usually don’t get silage grazed here before closing for silage. If it’s cut early enough (20th May) you’ll still have great silage. 75 dmd +.

    Cut stuff two years ago that wasn’t grazed in the spring. It came back at 77dmd. It was rocket fuel.

    Also saw one spring that we grazed it took forever to start growing because it got cold. The ground with a bit of cover kept tipping away.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,664 ✭✭✭Robson99


    Always graze with sheep here up until xmas. Get slurry out in Feb and cut silage around May 20th. Never graze in the spring prior to closing and always have top quality silage



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,449 ✭✭✭Grueller


    Had 78 DMD here last year with an identical lead in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭Good loser


    I would consider this a year to go for bulk. To get 90/100 units out for first cut - including the slurry fraction. Time cutting to suit bulk v. quality.



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    When you say bulk, would you be making bales and if so how many bales would be looking for per acre?

    I like good quality silage over massive crops



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,329 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I would be stopping all ration unless short of silage. Compensatory growth will kick in when grazing full time. Neither would I panic about running out of grass unless really heavily stocked. Having to rehouse and feed silage for a week or two outside in April or May is not the end of the world.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭JustJoe7240


    You're suggesting making poor quality silage as a result of the price of fert?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,138 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    going to dehorn calves today and let the strongest 6 or 7 down to the silage ground with their mammies once we get wednesdays rain out of the way



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,719 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    I graze the silage ground here at the back end and again in the spring. Graze it down to nothing with milkers. Then take first cut at end of May early June. Works for us



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,719 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Normally close mid April. Depends on the spring, we have heavy ground. 3 bags cut sward cut 6 weeks later.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Easten


    feck it I let some of the early calved cows and calves onto the silage ground. The weather is promised ok for the next 10 days. Calves are getting strong but getting dirty on the slats plus the silage I was feeding them was poor quality. I made it in dry weather but the problem was it was gone into a jungle before I cut it. Suckler cows need to be fed too when there's calves sucking them and rough silage doesn't work. Cows were starting to loose condition.

    Hopefully I'll get the silage fields grazed by mid April then it'll be a coat of slurry, a 1/2 bag of CAN and a long wait for silage!!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 683 ✭✭✭Fine Day


    What rate of slurry you going to go with. I think you want a least 40 to 50 units of CAN to get a good crop with at least 2500 gals of good slurry a week or two before the CAN. Great growt and grass quality in May and you need to utilize that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Easten


    I think about 2500g /acre is the minimum. I find it hard to do any less a you end up with a patchy cover of silage.

    yes it needs at least 40/50 units of CAN but I only will have 14 units (half a bag). I know its not enough but I'll be robbing the buffer fertility out of the ground for this year. But that's not sustainable going forward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,329 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I always use Urea in first cut. Normally I have a bit spread in late Feb/early March about 20-25 units/ an acre. If a paddock is grazed my mid March it gets another 40 units and all the silage ground get 2-3k gallons of slurry / acre and a week after the rest of the Urea and is spread. I aim to have 90-100 units of N/ acre on silage ground. This means the grass will not start to flower before late May.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 683 ✭✭✭Fine Day


    You will use up that 14 units in one good week in May. I know fertilizer is a crazy price. My opinion is don't let the best grass growing month of the year go by without using it. My land here is light and very dry but we can get stock out early. If a dry summer comes it kills us, so we need to get a decent first cut. Your ground maybe different and not as affected in dry conditions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,329 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Soil temperature is at or above 6 C accross most of the country. It 7.5C in the south west.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Easten


    Let a ball of them out this morning, all onto silage ground now until the end of April. Just hoping the weather holds, looks like the next 14 days are going to be dry so I'll then have stolen another 2 weeks from the winter. I'm going to hold the rest of the hay and silage for next winter. I'm on a low enough stocking density as a ran a few culls over the winter and also a few cows that were not performing.

    There's a great cover of grass in fairness thanks to the mild winter. No fertilizer yet, might get away with just slurry for the first cut.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭Good loser


    No I was talking about bulk silage. Cutting date is critical in bulk v. quality considerations. Just this year, because of high fertilizer prices, would consider letting the cutting date extend somewhat, maybe 5 to 7 days. Weather will also be a factor that will affect cutting date.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 521 ✭✭✭FarmerBrowne


    How likely is it that the current good cattle trade will come to a halt in the backend? In the west of Ireland which has alot of low input suckler farmers these are not going to put out their bit of fertilizer so therefore their crop will be down. If they do decide to make silage it could cost over €20 a bale and some may not bother at that price and not winter cattle especially when meal is added to the equation. Cull cows are probably the most likely to get the road, especially empty cows followed by weinling and store cattle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,329 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Factory price is the biggest factor in store and culls price in the mart. Lads will make some silage. Mpost lads along the west know however dear your own foddr is buying it along the west coast is impossible

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    What do people reckon it will cost to keep a bullock this year, say if they continued to farm as other years.


    You'd have to think 500 a head might not be too far off.



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