Amnesty scheme for undocumented migrants in Ireland

23-02-2022 11:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118681716#Comment_118681716

Nope, doesn't bother me. I told you, I am not a bitter jealous person and their life sounds shite to me. I would hate their life.

There is provision available for any EU citizen in this country who cannot support themselves, to be repatriated, I have no issue with that being used.

My (Irish) friend has 3 kids,works less then 20 hrs a week, keeps all benefits and all worked out, has more money then me every week. Am I annoyed about that? Nope, cos I wouldn't want her life.

23-02-2022 11:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118681728#Comment_118681728

That's the difference in you and me then, I don't support criminals.

23-02-2022 11:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118681545#Comment_118681545

Historical data shows that 70% -90% of claims prove unfounded.

Honestly curious as to the source of data for that statement. Can you supply a source? I'd be very interested in reviewing it.

24-02-2022 12:31AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118680337#Comment_118680337

Natural population growth declines with the overall rising costs to have a family, and the subsequent costs of setting those children up even after becoming adults.

If the desire was the growth of the native population, we'd be seeing a concerted effort to decrease the overall costs involved with living in Ireland. Sure, salaries are high in many industries, but so too are taxes, as are the taxes on consumer products. Between those costs and the ineptitude/corruption regarding housing/rental costs, there's not a lot of interest in growing a native population.

Far better to encourage a foreign population, who will supposedly be grateful for the chance to become a socio-economic underclass. I can see the appeal for our political elite to have another poor underclass to make empty promises to. Our politicians are so out of touch with modern times. The period where immigrants were truly grateful for the chance to start at the bottom is long gone, and while social mobility is possible for 2nd/3rd generation migrants, they still face the issues of starting at working class or lower.

This is not going to end well. It's caused problems everywhere else it's been implemented, and we're going to be facing a host of problems because of these badly thought out agendas.

Jinglejangle69 · 24-02-2022 01:47AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118681759#Comment_118681759

You might not be saying that when an illness comes your way and you can’t afford treatment because some of your Taxes had the go to your friend but your “friend” can because they basically have more disposable income than you because they lied and scammed.

But sure it’s none of our or your business.

Leave them to it, sure what harm can they do?

Widdensushi · 24-02-2022 05:04AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118682411#Comment_118682411

Do you realise how crooked an operation has to be to have any chance of functioning, the biggest expenditure would be bribes.

24-02-2022 08:39AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118682444#Comment_118682444

I pay private health insurance and income protection insurance in the event of illness, I have done all I can to look after myself and be self sufficient.

My friend does not lie or scam, can you point out where I ever said that? I would appreciate that because you are calling me a liar.

I think I said more then once that I do not agree with welfare fraud and I don't condone criminals?

Annasopra · 24-02-2022 09:21AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118681608#Comment_118681608

Have you got figures on this large proportion?

Annasopra · 24-02-2022 09:29AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118681628#Comment_118681628

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118681716#Comment_118681716

Says a lot that you support welfare fraud when White Irish do it but dont support genuine legitimate welfare claims of migrants.

Ash.J.Williams · 24-02-2022 09:31AM

highly qualified people here to work in skilled jobs are causing more issues than refugees, are we at a stage now where we’re creating too many jobs ?

jo187 · 24-02-2022 09:32AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118559101#Comment_118559101

Can't believe this got 7 likes. So a man raping a woman is on the same level as a woman who dates a man for his money? Ffs

Galwayguy35 · 24-02-2022 01:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118681408#Comment_118681408

Well we could solve part 3 immediately if the ridiculous situation we have at the moment where they can appeal deportation orders to the highest courts in the country multiple times at taxpayers expense was scrapped.

Or change our Justice Minister to someone who isn't afraid to sign the bloody things when they do eventually make it to her desk.

24-02-2022 02:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118684845#Comment_118684845

Well we could solve part 3 immediately if the ridiculous situation we have at the moment where they can appeal deportation orders to the highest courts in the country multiple times at taxpayers expense was scrapped.

You often hear similar complaints when it comes to planning and environmental challenges.

The ability to appeal decisions is not what causes the delays, its the lack of resourcing throughout the Irish legal system.

As an example, last year the Chief Justice of the High Court asked for 15 new judges to clear the backlog and be able to have stable and efficient timelines, she got 5 new judges and that was only after she published a list of very high profile cases which were going to be taken off the court dockets (pushed back for a year or more) at which point the govt moved to appoint 5 judges. It was only 33% of what was needed.

Appealing a decision takes maybe 20-30 days of drafting the appeal, submitting it, having it accepted. Hearing the appeal might not happen for years.

The appeal is not the problem, the hearings are

Widdensushi · 24-02-2022 02:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118685135#Comment_118685135

You are ignoring the cost issue, it's funny money.

Galwayguy35 · 24-02-2022 02:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118685135#Comment_118685135

It kind of is the problem, we should have a system where a decision is final with no appeal and send them on the first plane back to their homeland.

The people who make these deportation orders are in the job because they are deemed capable of doing it, so if they think the asylum seeker is spinning a BS story the order should be signed and send them back on the first available flight.

The backlog wouldn't be long clearing then.

24-02-2022 02:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118685219#Comment_118685219

Regards of what part of our legal system you are talking about, a leave to appeal is a fundamental principle and one that will not be removed any time soon regardless of the appeals process being discussed.

That doesn't suit people sometimes but it is the way things are.

24-02-2022 03:16PM

Given the rapidly escalating situation in Ukraine this is a good move by Ireland in opening our doors to anyone who wants to come here from Ukraine

IRELAND IS TO waive visa requirements for all Ukrainian people who travel to Ireland following the Russian invasion of the country.

The move was confirmed by Taoiseach Micheál Martin who said that Ireland “will not be found wanting” in providing humanitarian support to the Ukrainian people.

Martin said that the departments of Justice and Foreign Affairs will be implementing the visa waiver programme this afternoon.

“We believe this will be helpful to Ukrainian families here who may want their loved ones to join them. There will be a significant migration issue arising from these attacks, we will have to play our part in helping those who will have to flee Ukraine and we do that in solidarity with our European colleagues,” he said.

https://www.thejournal.ie/irish-ukraine-simon-coveney-5691785-Feb2022/

Annasopra · 24-02-2022 03:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118685541#Comment_118685541

Absolutely. They are fleeing from war.

24-02-2022 03:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118683298#Comment_118683298

Can't believe this got 7 likes. So a man raping a woman is on the same level as a woman who dates a man for his money? Ffs

Not what he said: He referred to a "don't be a rapist" course, not a course for rapists. I didn't thank the post myself, but I can appreciate the sentiment behind it.

It's about assigning blame to people based on gender rather than based on individual circumstances. So, the males get blamed for other men being rapists, and so need to attend a course... and women get blamed for the many women who are gold diggers. Guilt by association of gender.

TBH I can't believe you got two likes/thanks for your misrepresentation of what he posted. You quoted his post and still sought to twist what was said.

But alas, that's where the internet seems to have gone.. seeking outrage over what people want to see written as opposed to dealing with what was actually written.

24-02-2022 04:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118685219#Comment_118685219

It kind of is the problem, we should have a system where a decision is final with no appeal and send them on the first plane back to their homeland.

Having some manner of appeal makes sense. There should be the opportunity for a single appeal, to be held within a week of the first decision to deny Asylum. It's not as if they really need months to prepare an appeal, since they'd have all records already. The problem with the current system is that multiple appeals can be made, not just within the Asylum process itself, but also to other courts/organisations.

But yes, failure at the Asylum process or the appeal should result in near-instant deportation, along with a record being given to the EU showing that this person has been refused Asylum (and why). Give other countries the chance to track seekers who make multiple appeals... and allowing a better response to bogus seekers who hit multiple countries until they gain success somewhere.

Fandymo · 24-02-2022 04:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118685948#Comment_118685948

You should only be able to appeal on a point of law or because something was omitted, not just because you don't like the decision.

jo187 · 24-02-2022 05:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118685855#Comment_118685855

I'm not seeking outrage. Disappointed that such a thought less response got such a positive reaction. Also fair play on being able to read the op mind and explain what he meant really.

24-02-2022 07:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118686499#Comment_118686499

Here's a sad fact. I didn't need to read the OPs mind. I merely read what he wrote.

You don't need to read between the lines. You could simply read what was written and use that for your arguments.

24-02-2022 10:03PM

More good news. A formal plan/strategy for the ending of direct provision

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/946a1-minister-ogorman-marks-one-year-anniversary-of-white-paper-on-ending-direct-provision-with-progress-update/

Full details on all aspects of it are available below

https://www.gov.ie/en/campaigns/60714-international-protection-support-service/

Luxembourgo · 24-02-2022 11:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118687830#Comment_118687830

Agreed the quicker we give the state more funds to stop private ownership of housing the better comrade

jay0109 · 24-02-2022 11:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118687830#Comment_118687830

Plans, strategy...lots of paper and blah blah blah.

Meanwhile in the real world, practically no acomm available in this country, world record levels of debt per head of population...and a rapid increase in numbers of those claiming asylum since all these DP changes and amnesties were announced.

it's madness, that's what it is

24-02-2022 11:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118688309#Comment_118688309

You say madness, I said good news

24-02-2022 11:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118688309#Comment_118688309

Incredible. About 4,000 properties to rent in the entire country and the government are spending half a billion to house "asylum seekers" in their own accommodation. We are on track for approx 10,000 to arrive this year. This scam will never end.

Any politicians speaking out against it?