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Housing Madness

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,681 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    I think jim-mcdee was being ironic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21


    Jim is a bit of a boy o



  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Most vacant houses would cost as much as a new build to get up to today’s standards, if you could find the tradespeople. In principle, a good idea, but may not be financially viable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,824 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Never in the history of the state have we voted out fffg , it’s time to embrace the unknown and uncertain and give others a shot



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,681 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    I have no idea what condition they are in, and I don't know how anyone else would know that for 180,000 vacant dwellings. If even 10% of them were in good condition, it would be worthwhile looking to get them occupied, while waiting for the new builds.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭BattleCorp1


    Oops. Did I just have a Sheldon Cooper moment and not recognise sarcasm? ☺️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Renting a property is a service. The renter does not have to buy appliances nor maintain the property. Renting is a business. No tenant has ever paid any mortgage for a landlord. I am paying for my home and took a financial risk to invest in order to provide a service for others. To answer another question you posed about increased costs, yes costs have increased since celtic tiger years to rent a property and they continue to rise like everyone else is experiencing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    The OP is quite right in their observations. The state is a big player in funding the construction of new A rated homes, they have to be since the state is hidebound by it's own increasing burden of building regulations.

    And these houses are perversely needed for those who are on low or no incomes. Whilst those of similar age working their asses off, are forced into the remnants of old housing stock that the state deems unfit.

    If it weren't so utterly unfair, it's a source of great amusement. How on earth have FF/FG/Lab/Greens/PDs/INDs and anyone else who has been in government over the past three decades, managed to f**k up so badly?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    The issues around retro fitting old housing stock and the current government SEAI schemes are going to increasingly come under a big spotlight. The criteria needed to qualify for the grants for the larger retrofits is beyond many properties, never mind the pockets of their owners.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    You are missing a key peice of information here. The government do not own the property private buyers are buying. They don't deem the unfit and still have many on their books which they are retro fitting for the tenants. The properties they do own are built to a modern standard so of course they will be better than properties built 70-50 years ago.

    As for the grant scheme you deem only suitable for the rich really aren't. It is very simple a low interest loan that will cost little more than the fuel saving so it doesn't cost much. Maybe €5 extra a month. Most people could afford that plus as time moves on that extra will likely reverse and it will be cheaper than it would of cost to heat your home with the fuel costs going up. One of the ways wealthy people increase their wealth is by spending money for long term savings. The government is giving the public this option which is a good thing



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  • Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    100 per cent. New build 2 bed houses in Maynooth are going up for close to 400K. For a 2 bed!!!!! Like WTF. The 3beds are up for 430k. And they are what I'd describe as strange builds. Have a look at the them the estate is called Mullen Park. Some of the houses are the width of a room (4.5 meters). Mad stuff.


    They are only aimed at one type of buyer and it's not the nurse and guard.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,162 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    We need to start building large apartments like yesterday, but the toxic politics and planning pox mean this is stiffled at every stage.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,824 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




  • Posts: 19,174 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'd love a nice new 2 bed. In Dublin though.......



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,316 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    Strange builds indeed.

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    Daycent gardens though. Plenty of room for a men's shed.



  • Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I've nothing against 2 beds with gardens. I think they could suit a lot of people. I do have a huge issue with 400k though. Obviously aimed at the big pension investment funds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    No, I'm not missing much information - much of this older housing stock in small estates was owned by local authorities/ the state. It was built for those on lower incomes, the same people being housed now in modern constructions. The state is the author of this situation by selling these old properties on for all the various reasons we know about, including maintenance.

    As regards retrofitting, the basics of the SEAI scheme "Many homes in Ireland are on the lower end of the A to G Building Energy Rating scale. They perform poorly in comparison to homes built to current building standards. By law, all homes undergoing major renovations must be built to a minimum B2 energy rating. If you would like to get your home to a minimum B2 building energy rating (BER), then the first place to start is with the building fabric. You want to reduce heat loss, keeping it in the home for longer."

    B2 is the minimum BER rating you have to achieve, you stump your money up and if it doesn't reach that, well bye bye. An issue with many older buildings with stone or mass concrete walls and so on is how to achieve B2 without compromising the building structure. Initial thoughts on this that I've read and I have an interest as living in such a building, is that it's very difficult to achieve.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    I don't if you are being serious but some others certainly think they are odd. To me they aren't and I don't know what is meant to be strange about them. I so know if they were in Dublin they would cost substantially more to build, buy land and sell.

    I am actually doing up my own home at the moment and preparing for it to be split in the future as part of the alterations. May downsize because we don't really need the room we have which is a luxury I know most people don't have. They layout is a bit odd so hence the renovations. When we bought the place we re plumbed, re wired added external insulation and it is still not A rated so more expensive to heat compared to those new builds. Technically it is a 3 bed but has 3 receptions and a huge kitchen diner easy to make into two 2 beds and it close to a hospital.

    I could just sell it but by adding value and accommodation I will be helping the current housing crisis. People here are saying it isn't work nor that landlords add value. The house my parents stopped falling down and fixed up to rent apparently did nothing and did not do anything for 40 years of renting. The rental properties have triple glazing and external insulation which is better than my own home.



  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Interesting article here on how a young couple could have a home of their own. https://www.thesun.ie/money/8388935/first-home-wigan-young-sacrifice/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,316 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    Well the fact that the door is on the side of the house is a bit odd. They look lovely inside though. I wouldn't mind living there but I'd agree with gusser that they're strange builds.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    People are always complaining about places being all the same and you can't handle a door at the side? Seriously I don't get the world any more



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,316 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    Aye, the situation with Russia and Ukraine is bad enough, but when you see doors on the sides of houses you know the world is fúcked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Fred Cryton


    This is the best country in the Western world to be a non-working single mother, and the worst country in the Western World to be a middle class taxpayer. Won't change until we elect a party with actual centre right policies. Until then we get the country we deserve.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,507 ✭✭✭arctictree


    I own a small 2 bed house around 20Km from Dublin. It's not derelict but would take about 50K to get it up to HAP standards for rental. Money I dont have. So it sits idle. I'm sure there are many like me.



  • Posts: 19,174 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    But it sits idle because you have too much money, no offense.

    You can afford to leave an asset sitting idle. Either the government tax vacant properties at a massive amount or this keeps happening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21


    Why should we have to support those who can’t be arsed getting out bed and on the dole.

    People work hard enough and if they want a second or multiple house they own idle it’s their business.

    This sense of entitlement is giving me a dose of scour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,507 ✭✭✭arctictree


    Sorry, that makes no sense. It sits idle because I can't afford to do it up to HAP standard. Also, there is a planning restriction on it which prevents it from being sold.



  • Posts: 19,174 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]




  • Posts: 19,174 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    this doesn't make any sense.

    Having vacant properties means people cannot live in them, what does that have to do with people on the dole?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21


    Its the people on the dole making the most noise. Keep up.



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