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Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,224 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    It was a 20 yr insurgency sure, but it was also 20 years of investment in education, health care, infrastructure, businesses etc. An end to the famines that have wracked the country repeatedly for decades. What's happening currently, now that the Taliban are back? A devastating famine, threatening millions of people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 642 ✭✭✭J_1980


    not true, switzerland and Japan have low inflation

    Swiss Consumer Price Index in December and annual inflation 2021 Average annual inflation of +0.6% in 2021. 04.01. 2022 - The consumer price index (CPI) fell by 0.1% in December 2021 compared with the previous month, reaching 101.5 points (December 2020 = 100)


    just do what the swiss do: small government, no deficits



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,902 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Because "Small Government" is the reason for Switzerland having low inflation??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    “Swiss inflation hits 13-year high in January“

    Low but still a high increase.


    If you think inflation isn’t global, then you’re deluded.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 642 ✭✭✭J_1980


    Of course it’s global, because every one is doing the same thing: too low rates and big government.

    still those defying this trend are doing much better.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,019 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    The Swiss most definitely do not have a small government, it is one of the most legislated states in Europe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 642 ✭✭✭J_1980


    what?????

    In 2019, Switzerland's government expenditure amounted to a about 31.48 percent of the GDP.

    marginally higher than Ireland which has a 50% inflated denominator (GDP). EU average is 50%



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,880 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Biden's trying his best to get things done despite being blocked at every opportunity by the Republican party.

    If you support Trump now then you are simply not very intelligent because with the amount of lies he's told, the amount of bad things circling around him and the fact he's been banned from social media sites should be enough for anyone to see what most of the world sees.

    He's quite simple a lying, racist, evil man who will probably be convicted of multiple crimes at some stage in the next five years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,860 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,019 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Government expenditure is not a metric on its 'size', have you even been to Switzerland?


    Additionally, do you think low taxes prevent higher inflation rates, and if so please provide studies to support your claim

    Post edited by duploelabs on


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  • Posts: 714 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    “Trump Really Was Spied On”

    ‘Durham says techies linked to the Clinton campaign had access to White House and Trump Tower internet data.’

    -WallStreetJournal

    This article contains probably the most accurate information as I see it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    So was Trump being spied on by Democrats?

    That would be something of a big deal, we've had five years of people telling the world that such shenanigans are illegal and should result in prison time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,761 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    No. Several people have posted why this isn't true.

    I posted the source article from the NYT yesterday that refutes this WSJ editorial nonsense (apparently Boxy's quoting from an opinion piece. ) Feel free to post more than what you find on google from the WSJ editorial board - a Murdoch corporation paper, after all - to refute. I don't have access to the WSJ, if you do, post exactly what's said.


    Otherwise, it's just parroted bullsh1t.



  • Posts: 714 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    All we can say for sure is that techies linked to the Clinton campaign definitely had access to White House and Trump tower servers.

    We also learned yesterday that the Biden campaign also hired this legal firm employed by Clinton, which is at the centre of this controversy, that no other presidential campaign hired, even if it was a measly $20,000.

    Durham alleges that Joffe and his associates "mined" the White House traffic data "for the purpose of gathering derogatory information about Donald Trump."



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,902 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Indeed - HAD access , during the Obama administration, NOT during the Trump administration.

    Also - Having access and using it for nefarious reasons are not the same thing. The company had been employed by the Government to review the security etc. on the White House systems.

    There's a whole lot of extrapolation and joining of dots that don't really exist going on here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,761 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    More lies.

    No Durham report, no Durham alleging anything about Joffe and his firm did while working for the Obama administration. Freebeacon.com, spare me, just another rag (seems like Newsmax and the various lying sites are all over this.) Gotta love the 'no other campaign hired them' deflection.



  • Posts: 714 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It continued into the Trump administration Durham allege it was from July 2016 through to February 2017, page 11 section e of the Sussman indictment.

    Durham has been performing this investigation for quite some time now and has spent millions of dollars he probably knows a lot more than us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,019 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    How many indictments have been issued on this?


    Perhaps you need to take this to the trump thread



  • Posts: 714 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Well I’ll link to the indictments that are interesting if anyone cares to read although it’s much more difficult to copy and paste. They broadly say the same thing all those right wing rags have been parroting though!

    here’s the Sussman indictment: filed 16/9/21: https://www.justice.gov/sco/press-release/file/1433511/download

    heres the recent motion that caused all this new news: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21208256-john-durham-sussmann-filing-21122 this is the motion that saw the allegations of spying during trump’s president, right through until February 9th of 2017.

    Here’s the Danchenko indictment from 3/11/21: https://www.justice.gov/sco/press-release/file/1446386/download



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,902 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Did you even read the links that you shared?

    Absolutely NOWHERE does it say that anyone accessed the White House Servers etc. during Trumps administration.

    There is a reference to February 9th 2017 ( a whole 20 days into the Trump administration btw) as the date that a report was submitted with additional allegations - It does not say when that data was obtained or that it came from information from White House systems just that Feb 9th was the day the information was provided.



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,878 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    The Swiss don’t have “small government” they lots of different small governments.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Posts: 714 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You changed the words ‘updated allegations’ to ‘additional allegations’’. The debunked allegations that Sussman made and were accepted as fact by the mainstream media were up to date when made on February 19th. That’s how I’m reading it and a lot of media outlets. What was up to date exactly? This is detailed further down the subsequent paragraphs: the DNS traffic pertaining to:

    • A particular healthcare provider
    • Trump tower
    • Trump’s apartment
    • AND ‘The executive office of the president of the United States’

    In fact it says it just a little further down that “tech executive 1 and his associates exploited this arrangement( a previous arrangement to use dns data) mining the EOP’s dns traffic and other data for the purpose of gathering derogatory information about Donald Trump”

    I think my reading is just fine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Enjoy the Jesuitical verbal gymnastics that will ensue. 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,323 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    Unfortunately the only gymnastics is from Donnie fans desperately looking for a scandal. If only they would put their energy into doing some actual thinking for a change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,323 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    I'd suggest you read up on how the internet works but there's probably no point.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,902 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    We know that the Rodney Jaffes company had access to the WH Equipment during the Obama administration.

    Please point out where in the links you have provided that Durham says that WH Servers were accessed during the Trump administration?

    You can't , because it doesn't - Any suggestion that it does is an extrapolation/interpretation of information that does not yet exist in the public domain.

    The Durham indictment papers are sufficiently vague (perhaps deliberately so) such that by listing all the places that had been accessed by the Tech Company without actually specifying WHEN the access occurred, people can come to conclusions that are not supported by the actual stated facts.

    Could they have spied on the Trump WH? - Sure it's possible, but nothing in anything Durham has made public thus far definitively clarifies that point in any way whatsoever.

    Given that the updated/additional information was submitted on February 9th , it would want to have been some operation to find and analyse the data and then create a report that was then submitted to the FBI in the less than 20 days of the Trump administration at that point.

    It should also be pointed out that Durham has not brought ANY charges in relation to anybody hacking/spying on anything. The 3 people charged thus far have only been charged with allegedly misrepresenting who they were working for or where the information came from.

    If Durham had evidence that someone had illegally accessed the WH Servers for nefarious reasons one would assume those would be the charges he'd be bringing and not the far far weaker charges that he has brought forth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭arthursway


    Bidens PR asked about Durham reports earlier.


    https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1493992253009940482?s=20&t=Mnh6WEvWp0APkSy_NqyVVg



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,902 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Is there a point you are trying to make here?

    It's an open/ongoing legal case , of course they aren't going to comment on it - That's what normal administrations do , they don't try to influence the outcome of judicial proceedings.

    If she'd said "The President thinks it's a load of rubbish" what would the reaction have been?

    Equally if she'd said (as Trump did the other day) "The President thinks that the Death Penalty might be applicable here" - What would the reaction have been?

    The ONLY sensible response is the one she gave - "I can't comment , talk to the Dept. of Justice"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,153 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    No, pretty clear that he wasn't going on the basis that the person who is pushing the story here for days now has not shown any evidence that it actually happened.

    Just a lot of 'could be/maybe/if's' etc to consider to this point.

    Pretty clear it was an effort to distract from the negative news which came out about Trump over the last week or so.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭arthursway


    Time will tell with all these spying and Trump investigations I guess.

    Reflects horribly on the United States as a whole though no matter which side of the political divide your on.

    In the space of a year

    *Trump second impeachment trial.

    *Jan 6th storm on capitol

    *Embarassment of the Afghanistan withdrawal for the most powerful military in the world.

    *Possible espionage on sitting president Donald Trump by Democrats.

    *Trumps ongoing criminal investigations and possibility of a former President serving jail time no matter how slim it might be.

    Reputation in tatters on the world stage.



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