Kurt Zouma thinks it's funny to use a cat as a football

Fcuking pr1ck Zouma

Everything you post is spoof. You've made absolutely bizarre claims of abuse and cruelty without any basis of fact.

Simple fact. Distressed animals don't produce milk. Distressed beef animals don't thrive and gain weight. It's not in the farmers interest to have distressed animals.

Something is not cruel because you think it is. It's not based on any science or facts, rather emotions that are misinformed

I don't need to discredit you. You're doing that all by yourself

Can you pinpoint exactly what I said that is spoof or a bizarre claim? We can determine what may be cruel/abuse by putting ourselves in the victims shoes and asking ourselves, would we like that done to us.

Let's select a few practices employed in the majority of dairy production. I'm also going to list some very simple rights violations which are the case with any animal being bred into existence for the sole purpose of being exploited, and again, all I'm asking you to do is put yourself in the position of the victim and ask yourself if you had a choice, would you choose to live with complete bodily autonomy, free of exploitation, of being a commodity or would you choose:

• To be seen as property, and a commodity in the eye of your "owner" and most of your owners fellow species
• To have your daily routines completely dictated by this "owner" for your entire life
• When you're born, to be separated from your mother.
• To be most likely sent to slaughter when still a baby if you're male (which can often involve being sent long distances on crowded vehicles in horrible and stressful conditions)
• Being interfered with by your "owner" to undergo a procedure against your will to prevent natural body parts from growing.
• To have another species make you produce semen by non consensual masturbation (what word would be used to describe this if it was a human doing this to another human?)
• If you're female, to meet the same fate as the mother you were taken away from, which will involve:
• Being interfered with and having pregnancy forced upon you, non consensually, against your will (again, what word would be used to describe this if it was a human doing it to another human?)
• When you finally give birth, having your baby taken away from you so the milk you naturally produced for your baby can be stolen by another species
• Having to be routinely interfered with while lactating so another species can take your milk that your baby should have been taking from you.
• Repeating the above for another few years until your body is no longer efficiently able to produce desired volumes of what you've been bred to produce for the profit of the other species.
• Having your life cut to about 20% of your natural lifespan when you are sent to a slaughter house against your will, and have your life taken from you when you don't want to die.

The fact an animal can still produce milk, or can still gain weight, does not mean they have not had their rights violated.

Mod note - if you can't post in a civil manner then don't post at all

Kurt injured in warm up and misses today's game. Catma Karma

Does that mean he's out of Tuesdays lineup?

And not even being paid the minimum wage!

Thanks for the twitter link.

Last year we sent 0 calves to Libya

Anyhow. I'll remain "civil" and let you do what you do. Got to keep the mod happy.

Enough time wasted

There's some conflicting information. This page states 0 in 2021:

https://www.bordbia.ie/farmers-growers/prices-markets/cattle-trade-prices/live-cattle-exports/

This page states 6,467:

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/2021-cattle-exports-by-type-and-destination/

But in 2022 there has already been 3,516 sent to Libya according to the same Bord Bia page above. Anyway, this is all besides the point. No matter where they are sent, no matter their age, they are all being exploited and most of them are probably dead by now, killed against their will, not wanting to die.

@There is a light

Because none of that has anything to do with Zouma kicking a cat for laughs and filming it! Whether he deliberatly kicked a cat or a cow or a camel he'd still be in the news for sadistic cruelty. So no it's nothing to do with supporting any industry no matter how you or anyone else tries to claim it is. And how the frack does anyone know what poster eats or doesn't eat? Making attacks like that is rubbish

It's against the law to kick a cat in the UK, here and many other places, just as it's against the law to kick any other domestic animal whether that's a cat or any other animal. Does it happen? Apparently so. They're a small number of people like that in all walks of life

If you agree it's wrong to cause harm, when harm isn't necessary, then you agree with the philosophy of veganism. Most people agree that it's wrong to cause harm where harm isn't necessary, but don't choose to live their life with consistency in accordance to these principles. This thread is a perfect example of that and hence how the discussion has evolved to extend beyond the experience of an animal who is viewed differently in our society, to the animals who are exploited unnecessarily in our society.