And so does his brother as well to have the confidence to post the video on social media in the expectation all it would do was raise a laugh.
I've no doubt some people are so pathetic they keep animals just to be mean to them.
Hope he gets the boot himself.
Still spoofing I see. You are waffling on there like I've never seen. You're knowledge of agriculture is pathetic. You may as well argue about nuclear fusion because you likely know as much about that as you do this. It'd not possible to have an objective opinion when your knowledge is below baseline basic
A zealot doesn't need facts and information of course. Just a determination to waffle on and push their views
Educate yourself a little before you waffle on the Internet talking absolute piss
Fcuking pr1ck Zouma
What about my post that you quoted is spoofing? You've consistently failed to give any actual rebuttals to anything I've posted, failed to provide any evidence that what I'm saying doesn't occur in standard farming practices of which most animal products are a result of, or answered any of my questions, and like others, are just responding in a way that attempts to discredit me while throwing in a few buzz words.
Everything you post is spoof. You've made absolutely bizarre claims of abuse and cruelty without any basis of fact.
Simple fact. Distressed animals don't produce milk. Distressed beef animals don't thrive and gain weight. It's not in the farmers interest to have distressed animals.
Something is not cruel because you think it is. It's not based on any science or facts, rather emotions that are misinformed
I don't need to discredit you. You're doing that all by yourself
I would'nt bother replying, you're simply wasting your time. It's the same extremist shrilling on Facebook, twitter practically word for word.
Bizarrely according to the same spiel, the long term aim is to end the practice of keeping all domestic animals including pets. Strange then that the discussion being pushed here is just about farming but feck what been called the 'evils' of keeping pets simply because its much easier just to throw **** at farming.
Like the claim that cows normally live to 25 years. I looked that up. Your average wild herbivore is lucky if they make it to 4 years of age before they're eaten alive or die a very nasty death from drought or disease. With cows on farms are kept for at least 8 years and are looked after, fed, protected from predators and get vetinary care. Ireland and the UK has good animal welfare laws so that if cruelty does happen people are prosecuted and rightly so.
There's no point arguing with this crap. It's just an excuse for preaching, and if you reply, it's even more crap with a bunch of extremist videos thrown in for extra effect. And still not one word about the cat or even football.
Can you pinpoint exactly what I said that is spoof or a bizarre claim? We can determine what may be cruel/abuse by putting ourselves in the victims shoes and asking ourselves, would we like that done to us.
Let's select a few practices employed in the majority of dairy production. I'm also going to list some very simple rights violations which are the case with any animal being bred into existence for the sole purpose of being exploited, and again, all I'm asking you to do is put yourself in the position of the victim and ask yourself if you had a choice, would you choose to live with complete bodily autonomy, free of exploitation, of being a commodity or would you choose:
The fact an animal can still produce milk, or can still gain weight, does not mean they have not had their rights violated.
Mod note - if you can't post in a civil manner then don't post at all
Do you actually believe farmed pigs are treated well in Ireland and live good lives? Do you not think it's cruel that hundreds of thousands of male calves are taken from dairy farms very young and shipped abroad to places with terrible animal welfare standards like Libya?
Kurt injured in warm up and misses today's game. Catma Karma
Sky won't be happy with Souness going off script today in the studio ......they were edging towards the players 'mental health' schtick, Souness fking hammered him 😂
Does that mean he's out of Tuesdays lineup?
2021 we shipped 0 calves to Libya
More misinformation
Go again
Why are people so annoyed about the cruelty of the dairy industry being pointed out and saying stuff like you can't come in here and call people hypocritical for ranting about Zouma while supporting the dairy industry?
Well, yes you can. Because it is hypocritical. And people saying, well it's not the same comparing what Zouma did to what goes on in the dairy industry. Yes, it's not the same. What's done in the dairy industry is far more cruel but with that it's like people putting their fingers in their ears going la la la la, I'll just ignore that reality because it doesn't fit with my comfortable reality that I live in. As long as I don't see the cruelty I'll just continue to pretend it isn't there or simply ignore and continue to support the dairy industry but I won't let that get in the way of me ranting on the internet like I'm some animal cruelty activist when someone kicks a cat.
It's the usual hollow bullsh!t you see nowadays. Find a cause that's trendy and join in the outrage. Dare not address the bigger more uncomfortable problems though.
I say all this as a meat and dairy consumer. I just find it hilarious and such a nonsense how there's people getting defensive when this reality is pointed out to them. It's like, hey, don't interfere with me up on my high horse judging Zouma as the bastard he is and stop pointing out uncomfortable realities to me.
https://mobile.twitter.com/ethicalfarmie/status/1370351292363722752
And not even being paid the minimum wage!
Kick a cow and see how long you last in that field.
That’s some stretch of the imagination to go from a domestic cat to pointing the finger at the entire dairy industry.
have you announced your conversion to veganism yet ?
Thanks for the twitter link.
Last year we sent 0 calves to Libya
Anyhow. I'll remain "civil" and let you do what you do. Got to keep the mod happy.
Enough time wasted
As you can see the vast majority exported are calves. Ok none of them went to Libya in 2021 if you say so. But you think mass exporting of calves abroad on boats is ok? But yes Irish farming is 100% cruelty free.
Oh cool. A pointless reply. Well that was unexpected. 🤭
I already said I eat meat and dairy so I support those cruel industries but I'm also not on this thread acting the animal rights activist with regard to a cat being kicked.
You're missing my point. My point is people being appalled by this but getting defensive about the realities of dairy farming being pointed out to them.
How did that thread go from someone abusing their pet in front of their child and recording it to this vegan crap?
Serious question - where is the connection?
There's some conflicting information. This page states 0 in 2021:
https://www.bordbia.ie/farmers-growers/prices-markets/cattle-trade-prices/live-cattle-exports/
This page states 6,467:
https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/2021-cattle-exports-by-type-and-destination/
But in 2022 there has already been 3,516 sent to Libya according to the same Bord Bia page above. Anyway, this is all besides the point. No matter where they are sent, no matter their age, they are all being exploited and most of them are probably dead by now, killed against their will, not wanting to die.
What's the correlation between the 2? saying 'all' farmed animals are mistreated is like saying 'all' pets are mistreated, there is no evidence to say either is true ......a high profile figure was brought to the public attention doing a wrong and people comment, what is wrong with that?
Joe from Tallaght might have kicked his dog around the living room, we'll never know .........Tommy the pig farmer might be particularly nasty to his pigs, we'll never know
You talk about trendy causes, some are trying to make one out of another that is totally unrelated
@There is a light
"Why are people so annoyed about the cruelty of the dairy industry being pointed out and saying stuff like you can't come in here and call people hypocritical for ranting about Zouma while supporting the dairy industry?"
Because none of that has anything to do with Zouma kicking a cat for laughs and filming it! Whether he deliberatly kicked a cat or a cow or a camel he'd still be in the news for sadistic cruelty. So no it's nothing to do with supporting any industry no matter how you or anyone else tries to claim it is. And how the frack does anyone know what poster eats or doesn't eat? Making attacks like that is rubbish
It's against the law to kick a cat in the UK, here and many other places, just as it's against the law to kick any other domestic animal whether that's a cat or any other animal. Does it happen? Apparently so. They're a small number of people like that in all walks of life
I didn't see anyone mention vegan diets did you? People are calling out the hypocrisy of how animals are treated in Ireland, the ones on your plate, and the fact that people are up in arms over someone kicking a cat. Can you not see why people might point out that contradiction?
If you agree it's wrong to cause harm, when harm isn't necessary, then you agree with the philosophy of veganism. Most people agree that it's wrong to cause harm where harm isn't necessary, but don't choose to live their life with consistency in accordance to these principles. This thread is a perfect example of that and hence how the discussion has evolved to extend beyond the experience of an animal who is viewed differently in our society, to the animals who are exploited unnecessarily in our society.
ALL the millions of pigs in Ireland bar a few farms never see the light of day and live in horrible cramped conditions. There is plenty of evidence out there for this.
Attacks. 😆
Just because the dairy industry is legal doesn't mean that what they practice in it isn't cruel.
I've already linked to an article of the cruelty involved but carry on with your narrow reality where kicking cats is sadistic and the treatment of cows in the dairy industry is sound.
So no one mentioned diets but its about what people have on their plates and animals. Right got that.
Of course people "are up in arms over someone kicking a cat" for laughs and filming it especially where that person is a public figure. I believe the main topic under discussion was whether the response to what he did was proportionate before the whole truck was steered off the rails.
I was specifically talking about the dairy industry and yes the treatment of cows in the dairy industry is cruel.
Maybe read the article I linked that explains the cruelty involved although I doubt it'll make any difference to your way of "thinking".
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