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Kurt Zouma thinks it's funny to use a cat as a football

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,859 ✭✭✭✭cormie


    I think you're missing the point of the article. By consuming animal products, you're paying for similar and worse to happen to other animals when it's unnecessary. Pleasure is the driving force behind each. His reason being some kind of sadistic and less common form of pleasure, than your and many other's sensory pleasure reason. To the victims, the level of harm is the same no matter what the reason is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Thanks for the very long essay but Jfc, you clearly didn't either read what was written in those two comments or chose to deliberately misconstrue it. But still at it. Good lad.

    Frankly I've no interest in engaging in that type of dishonest discussion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,555 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    One eats to survive. I wish to eat meat.

    You may argue it's unnecessary. But the simple difference is how he treated that animal is absolutely of no comparison to how the vast majority of farmed animals are treated.

    Kicking an animal because you get off on it, and eating a burger are not comparable and it's no more than clutching at straws for that journalist to do so


    To say that the end result is the same is also being disingenuous. Animal cruelty is wrong, I don't agree with that, but eating meat that is sourced from animals that are not mistreated is not the same thing what so ever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    I have but I've also seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like… tears in rain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,859 ✭✭✭✭cormie


    Again you're just completely ignoring all points being made, questions being asked and failing to offer any rebuttal to them and feigning a "dishonest discussion" as reason not to engage in an actual discussion.

    I don't have to argue it's unnecessary. It is unnecessary. Do you not think the very essence of ending a life of somebody that doesn't want to die, long before they would die naturally of old age is mistreatment? What do you define as mistreatment? What about standard practices and living conditions on UK farms, sold under labels of red tractor approved, high welfare, RSPCA approved, free-range and organic?

    https://www.landofhopeandglory.org/

    What about standard practices in Australia? Can you honestly look at this and say the animals aren't mistreated?

    And if you're about to say that doesn't happen on Irish farms, here's footage taken in Ireland:




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭SamStonesArm


    HaHaha took longer than normal for some hippy to post Dominion lol.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,555 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    You argue it all you wish, but you're predictably meshing an ethical debate of eating meat and being cruel and sadistic towards an animal. The ethics of eating meat is one I've no interest engaging in or wasting my time with.

    Post all the YouTube videos you can feast on, it's not a reflection of Irish farming.

    I'm more than happy to invite you down to our farm. You can even bring your camera with you. But Irish farmers are already (amd quite rightlt) up to their tonsils with regular inspections from various departments.


    You don't believe people should eat meat. Good for you. I do. I like meat. I also like animals.


    Don't blend animal cruelty and sadistic abuse with agriculture to try further your agenda.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    @cormie

    Whoosh and even more preaching!

    No I don't like your style of posting.

    Post edited by Mecanudo on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,507 ✭✭✭AyeGer


    The treatment of animals for food production certainly is grim in a lot of cases. I try and buy free range and organic as much as possible. I believe it can be done much better. I don’t have an issue with an animal being killed for food but I hate cruelty to animals. As someone said earlier in the thread for some of these animals their entire existence is basically cruel.

    Im not going to deny there are some great points being made on that matter here. For many of us it’s out of sight out of mind and it shouldn’t be.

    Im eating much less meat now than I ever was and eating more and more veg, nuts, seeds, fruit and legumes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,859 ✭✭✭✭cormie


    What's the difference between sadistically abusing one animal, and inflicting death upon another (after they've been exploited for whatever they can yield profit from before death) just for the sensory pleasure of a 5 minute meal? The victim doesn't want to be harmed in either case. Neither reason is one of necessity.

    I've literally posted footage taken on an Irish farm. Would you be happy to let a crew film on your farm consistently for prolonged periods and would it be possible to film the slaughter process too? If so, please PM me details and we can arrange it.

    You also never answered, do you not think taking the life of somebody who doesn't want to die, years before they would die naturally, is mistreatment?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,146 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    I totally 100% agree with this.

    Like you, I went free range, farm gate and organic first, but it still did not sit right with me.

    I had a problem with food chain - how can a chicken be sold for 2.99 without cutting corners in welfare. The problem is people want the standards but dont want to pay.

    This is the reason I stopped eating meat. If I felt there were higher welfare standards that I could be totally confident in, ie, farm gate, I would not have stopped eating meat.

    I eat eggs, but only from someone I know that has their own (rescue) hens.

    Having said that, I never push my opinion on others. I find the other side more aggressive - a shop advertises a vegetarian/vegan option on social media, and you have all the aggressive get yourself a burger whiners. I find people are more aggressive towards people who do not choose to eat meat, than the opposite.

    Ireland has a very poor record on animal welfare. Puppy farm capital of Europe (even a State Solicitors mother ran an unlicenced puppy farm), the urban horse abuse, and a case where a Department of Agriculture official was convicted of cruelty to cattle. There are numerous cases.

    I feel all awareness to animal welfare is good thing and believe its unfair to criticise someone who does not agree with the cruelty to the cats, but still eats meat. It is a slow and evolving journey.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    I used to think the religions who sent out the faithful to preach at you in the hope of converting people was all a bit ott. But fook me all is forgiven, I'll take them any day over that shite.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭SamStonesArm


    Ah jaysus these lads are a lot worse. Wonder does their high horse mind them being on its back haha. Horse lives matter lol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,555 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    As I said. I'm not wasting my time on an ethical debate with you.

    Laughable that you think it's common to slaughter animals on any farm in Ireland.


    Christ you are engaging in a debate about something you know absolutely nothing about. Bit of an eye opener for me frankly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,859 ✭✭✭✭cormie


    Are you going to disregard my whole post because I didn't specify a film crew following the animals you've reared to whichever slaughterhouse you use to end their life prematurely and you assumed because of this lack of specification, that I thought you slaughtered the animals on your own property, thus rendering me knowing nothing about the topic?

    So are you going back on your offer to allow a film crew take footage of the entire process from birth (and what their mothers go through to become pregnant) to slaughter?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Anyone got an update on the Zouma story?

    Guess we will know the score by Tuesday eitherway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,712 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    The reason this story has 'captured the imagination' of the media and the public alike, is because it involves a 'premiership' football player, anti-racism SJW's, plant based ethical eaters, and cat people, all in one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,146 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Yep, dont fck with Cats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭SamStonesArm


    Can we not just punch the odd one to keep ourselves happy? I'll put on boxing gloves and all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,022 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    Visit Atlantis? That Babylonian hash must be good stuff!

    🙈🙉🙊



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,838 ✭✭✭BalcombeSt4


    Blade Runner does not count.

    Go see the Teotihuacan, Aztec, Mayan & other Mesoamerican pyramids in Central America some of which are 2,300 years old.

    Or the Olmec Heads some of which are 3,000 years old.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 472 ✭✭Tommybojangles


    Lads, he kicked a cat. Can we all relax.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,712 ✭✭✭AllForIt




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,838 ✭✭✭BalcombeSt4


    I'm not a vegan but if it was illegal to buy & eat animal meat I'd be fine with it, I don't eat much meat as it is.

    Dairy products I think should still be allowed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,838 ✭✭✭BalcombeSt4


    Obviously you'll need some deep-sea diving equipment to make it there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,859 ✭✭✭✭cormie


    Dairy would be a more cruel industry than meat as the animals are subjected to years of abuse and in the end, they are still killed against their will, long before they would die naturally, after they have been exploited so much that their bodies are no longer profitable producers. Both meat and dairy are unnecessary and if you agree that it's wrong to cause harm where harm isn't necessary, then logic dictates that both should be opposed according to your principles :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,122 ✭✭✭Unknown Soldier


    No. It's a small defenceless animal. I'd suggest putting him in a cage with a Tiger and letting him try boot that about.



    Your post says a lot about you btw.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,507 ✭✭✭AyeGer


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo




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