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When's calving starting 2022

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,295 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,387 ✭✭✭kollegeknight


    All red too.

    must be the bulls way of saying to replace him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,295 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    Sure it’ll be 2 years before they’re calving down, lots of time. Would you try SH the next time?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭alan10


    Hi,

    Any advice welcome.

    Lost calf to Rotavirus today (brought scour sample to vet on Mon, dead Thur). Had vet out Wed also and gave fluids into vein. 3 other calves they were in same pen before I got to separate the dead one on Mon and also picked it up. Have them isolated, all sheds disinfected where they were etc…

    But they are showing exact same symptoms – hoping they not ending same way!

    I am giving electrolytes to these 3 (mostly stomach tube as they not sucking bottle) – they are still with their cows but not sucking great. May need to milk from cows and try and get this into them also?

    Under heat lamps (temps are low on them also). The scour is running out of them, nearly cleaning the bedding hourly at this stage! Any other ideas?

    My understanding its viral, so antibiotics don’t help…just keep them warm & hydrated and hope they overcome it?

     I got vaccination to do the rest of the cows to calve that are 3-12 weeks out and next year will be the full herd.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,418 ✭✭✭tanko


    I wouldn’t agree that antibiotics won’t help here. A few years ago the calves on the out farm all got rotavirus, they were a couple of months old if i remember right. They were lively and in good form but scouring. My vet gave me a bottle or two of antibiotics to give them for three days i think. Can’t remember the name of it but it stopped the scouring.

    Pnuemonia is usually caused by viruses but antibiotics cures the problems caused by the symptoms of it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,105 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    Had similar in 2016, a mix of rota and crypto. Horrible stuff. Was not vaccinating.

    If you can, try to avoid putting any more young calves into that shed for this year. Even with disinfection, it can still linger. Loads of bedding in calving pens and clean out, power hose and disinfect. Steam clean if you can. Keep the cow as clean up to calving can help

    I moved my Sucklers to calve in April and outdoors after it.

    Remember it stays outside the door and look after your welbeing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,687 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    If you can get effydral tablets I always found them great .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,687 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    I know it's not ideal but could you source treated biestings from another farmer. Cows must be kept clean too, as in their teats



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,387 ✭✭✭kollegeknight


    I dunno, the bulls don’t make great prices locally- I always found Limo a good seller.


    ive two accidentally in calf to a SH so will know in the middle of May if there is much CD involved.


    when I had a lot of heifers off the old bull I considers buying an SH bull but the seller said they were too bony for heifers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,623 ✭✭✭straight


    I find synulox scour tablets good. If they are dehydrated I tube 3 litres of electrolytes into them as many times a day as they need it. They shouldn't die with rotavirus if you keep them hydrated



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,687 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Isn't natural yoghurt good too to help with the lining of the stomach



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    If they have a scour I would keep them warm by getting an old hoodie and putting them in it on a straw bed. I find it helps.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,126 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    I find jackets more effective than the lamp with sucklers. Unless you have it right on top of the calf the lamp is doing nothing except a nice lighting effect. Having a cow in the pen with the calf stops you setting it up the way it’s needed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,593 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    Have an absolutely wicked cow at the minute and calf is not sucking and just totally dangerous to get calf out to feed him.

    anyone ever try/recommend any sort of sedative for a cow. Don’t want to knock her out as need her standing so I can try get calf to suck.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,387 ✭✭✭kollegeknight


    Anyway of getting her in a crush gate etc?



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    Fire her down the chute and tie the leg back and milk her?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,593 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    I can do that but she’s way too wicked to either milk her or try to get calf sucking. Teats are huge and big low hanging elder so that’s part of the problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,387 ✭✭✭kollegeknight


    when I had a problem before like that- crush gate and tie up a hind leg and get the calf sucking that way.

    are you sure the calf is not sucking?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,418 ✭✭✭tanko


    Sounds like she’s not worth the bother, bottle for the calf and road for the cow maybe. I have a very low tolerance for any kind of lady like that now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,387 ✭✭✭kollegeknight


    You’re 100% right. Not worth the hassle or worry if she attached.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,593 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    Fully agree but don’t really fancy rearing one calf on a bottle either. If I got him sucking, I’d get cow on slats straight away with calf on lie back and problem solved. But she won’t see no bull ever again that’s for sure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,026 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    All of the above, use the calving gate, her leg tied back and someone to keep the hip bone pressed back to prevent her trying to kick with the tied leg. Get an anti kick bar if you don't have someone to keep the hip pressed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,593 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    That’s it exactly. Have safe crush which is a calving gate. Gettting jag off vet so hopefully will help sort it. 35 years dealing with cows and never had the likes of this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,704 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath


    Years ago we used to have half bred dairy cows with lots of milk so we would double suckle the cows, the odd one would be kicker at the start, we use to tie up one of the front feet, usually the side the "adopted" calf was on. It always controlled them and they wouldn't kick then, I always found it easier to tie up a front foot that risk getting flaked out of it with a flying back foot trying to tie it. As for your cow Dunedin I would guess she will settle enough to rear her calf for the year and then show her the gate. If you think she wouldn't suckler bred calves are a flying trade in the mart, once the calf is over 10 day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,642 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    Just be very cautious of cows that are sedated as they can suddenly come alive and react. Years ago I had to get a cow sedated (pbr Blonde) by the Vet so that we could get her into a hoof trimming crate. All went well for about 5 mins until she fought the sedative and went berserk in the crate nearly turning it over and we had to let her out. She was nearly 1000kgs and the reason that we had to get her sedated was the hoof man was afraid of her cause she'd throw the head about with strangers. We eventually got her trimmed a few weeks later but the Vet had to knock her out and a different hoof man paired the foot while she lay on the ground.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭alan10



    Thanks for all the advice. I am giving synulox tablets, tubing Lectade & milk and they seem to be not getting worse.

    Re: the lamp v jacket - I have a creep gate into a small corner well bedded and warm, surrounded square bales - cow cant get in but calves go out to suck and come back in under the lamp themselves. I had jacket on lad that died...it was some mess - might have been too big but there was some bang of scour of it and he had it covered in it as he wasn't standing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,593 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    Got jab from vet. Home from work and faced out to dreaded task. And hallelujah calf was sucking herself. Did a Father Jack reverse when he saw the nuns. Hopefully she’ll settle enough in a few days and I’ll get her onto the slats and she’s safe then. And so am I

    someone mentioned Kick start here in an earlier post so got it and gave calf 30ml yesterday evening so maybe that’s what got the calf going.

    checked records of calves of last few years and luckily she’s had a bull calf the last 3 years so I’ve no replacements out of her. She has heifer calf this year but she won’t ever see a bull either.

    The debate will always linger about the cost of the suckler cow but it’s the danger factor with them that’s the biggest ailment of all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 969 ✭✭✭RobinBanks


    Not really calving related but is it risky giving an incalf cow antibiotics? Due in march and has abscess in foot


    I will ring vet in morning but just wondering if anyone went through something similar



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,687 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Pen strep be no bother



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,055 ✭✭✭tellmeabit


    That's great, typical when you'd be about to give up or try the shot that they would be sucking

    🤣



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