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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,150 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    You’ve posted a lot about what you think is being taught and what you think CRT is. None of it was correct.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,202 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I think you meant to post thus in respond to someone else's post, it makes no sense with respect to my post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,111 ✭✭✭Christy42


    From context, most European countries have tended towards the right historically (by European standards) so the left can hardly have lost ground they never had so only way that your statement was going to hold was if it was by American standards. Plus you were given out about the arrogance around the Biden administration as the left while discussing the destruction of the left around Europe? The left by European standards would not be closely aligned with Biden and he would have more in common with major right wing parties (outside of the tories) over this side of the Atlantic.


    Which European countries have not traditionally had right wing governments that now do?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,737 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Another copy and paste job so?

    What’s being taught that’s wrong?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,596 ✭✭✭joseywhales




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,460 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    And, is the fact it's being censored - laws produced by (in this case) State Governments - o.k. with you? Or you only want censorship for things you don't like? It's a classic example of censorship, hopefully just a matter of time before it's overturned by the USSC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,202 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Biden sanctioning the taking of funds from Afghan Bank for the families of victims of 911 is a hideous move.

    Bad enough in and of itself, but to do it as the country has been left open to the Taliban and is suffering a humanitarian crisis after 20 years if war makes it even more so.

    But the worst thing about this is when you consider the vast amount of money given to the US military each and every year. The money being commandeered here is less than 1% of the budget given to the military and is nearly 4 times smaller than the amount Congress gave the military above what it asked for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,737 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Giving money to the Taliban will help the people?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,202 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Never said that. But it is Afghan money, there's no question about that.

    And definitely should not be used to pay families of 911 victims.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,737 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Half of it is, what do you think would happen with it if the Taliban got it?



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  • Posts: 714 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Whoopi Goldberg was cancelled recently for espousing exactly what CRT says. I absolutely disagree with her abhorrent remarks but she had every right to say it as she sees it. Actually she learned something from the backlash against her, but cancelling her went too far. That was censorship.

    Do you realise how difficult it was to remove creationism from schools? Kids shouldn’t be used as a political football to practise this CRT that could see them cancelled in the future.

    ABC has temporarily suspended Goldberg. It’s difficult to know why. Her comments were ill-considered, but spoken not out of malice but from a common misunderstanding about race. Too many in authority seem more eager to be seen punishing people for saying the wrong thing than in creating the conditions for a public conversation that can provide greater clarity.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/06/whoopi-goldberg-holocaust-remarks-were-born-of-ignorance-not-racism



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,460 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    1. Creationism is far from gone in a lot of (mostly Southern) US schools and there are continual attempts to teach it. Isn't the lack of censorship great? Here's a law pushing it in the US: https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2021/apr/08/house-advances-bill-to-let-schools-teach/
    2. Whoopi lost her job for something she said, from her private employer. Remind me again, how is it private companies firing people is censorship?
    3. As you 'whatabouted' about Creationism, are you o.k. with censorship in schools around CRT? States like Florida and Virginia passing anti-CRT legislation seems like censorship by any definition of the term, these are government entities. Are you o.k. with that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,202 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Why are you focusing on the Taliban?

    Horrible to think we should just abandon all consideration for the Afghan people because of the Taliban.

    Could I take money belonging to an alcoholic because of what they are likely to spend it on?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Losing your job because your views don't conform with your bosses, or you fail to comply with terms and conditions of a platform isn't censorship. When a government stops your free speech then that is censorship.


    What can't you understand the difference?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,737 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    I can’t make it any simpler for you.

    That money won’t get to the people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    I've heard of support agencies withholding an alcoholics money because they'll spend it on drink, and not food for their kids.


    Same applies here



  • Posts: 714 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You’re opinion of censorship from my perspective is severely warped, equally I’m assuming from your point of view my perspective may be. Here’s what an expert in the field, the ACLU says to avoid any confusion, can you understand the difference here?

    “Censorship, the suppression of words, images, or ideas that are "offensive," happens whenever some people succeed in imposing their personal political or moral values on others. Censorship can be carried out by the government as well as private pressure groups. Censorship by the government is unconstitutional.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,460 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    And as you say, censorship carried out by the government is unconstitutional. Fortunately, that's not what's happened to Whoopi Goldberg. Her employer fired her for her views. She violated her terms of employment. Is that censorship?


    And, for the Nth time, is what's happening viz. CRT in schools censorship? Yes, or no.



  • Posts: 714 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Her employer fired her because of the campaign against her by pressure groups. The same reason every big network would cancel a big star of theirs that generates lots of revenue. Believing otherwise is delusional. This as defined by the aclu is censorship.

    Banning crt in schools is a big positive from me, it should reside in the ranks of history alongside creationism and all the other bullshit non science that we don’t teach in schools. That’s not censorship.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,150 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Did she actually lose her job? I thought it was a short suspension. She definitely wasn’t “cancelled”, whatever that really means

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • Posts: 714 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wasn’t she just saying what every good adherent of CRT would say? Why was she suspended? Wasn’t that censorship?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,150 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?



    She wasn’t, can you explain why what she said has anything to do with CRT? She was suspended for saying something controversial that would lose advertising money, I don’t agree with it but that’s what it is.


    a private entity can’t censor anyone. So no.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,460 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Ahh o.k.. so censorship is o.k. with you. Glad you admit it. If the government censors something you dislike, you're fine with that.

    Hopefully you'll never be on the receiving end.

    Laws against teaching CRT are censorship since they're laws. A bit disingenuous of you cheering on censorship laws don't you think?

    Creationism was largely removed from curricula because it violated the 1st amendment church/state separation. It wasn't censored from schools.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,202 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Not by any stretch of the imagination does that justify what the US are doing with it.

    Hope that's clear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,202 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    No it doesn't.

    They're taking it to pay families of 911 victims.

    And there a pretty big difference between taking, and withholding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    There is no difference of opinion when it comes to the definition of censorship. It is a clearly defined term.

    Again, try saying whatever you want here on boards, and then when appealing your ban claim 'censorship', see how far it gets you



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    Being color blind used to be a good thing. Crt seeks to reverse that notion. Crt indoctrinates children into believing they are born disadvantaged based on ther skin color. It's a sick ideology.




  • Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Why do you think this random research paper is the defacto view in crt? Do you think they set out the standards for it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,375 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    That is what you say it is.^^^^



    This is what it actually is.


    "Sept 21 (Reuters) - "Critical race theory," a once-obscure academic concept, has become a fixture in the fierce U.S. debate over how to teach children about the country's history and race relations.


    Conservatives have invoked the term in schools and statehouses nationwide to denounce curricula and policies they consider too liberal. However, the term is widely misunderstood and misused.


    WHAT IS CRITICAL RACE THEORY?

    Critical race theory (CRT) is an approach to studying U.S. policies and institutions that is most often taught in law schools. Its foundations date back to the 1970s, when law professors including Harvard Law School’s Derrick Bell began exploring how race and racism have shaped American law and society.


    The theory rests on the premise that racial bias - intentional or not - is baked into U.S. laws and institutions. Black Americans, for example, are incarcerated at much higher rates than any other racial group, and the theory invites scrutiny of the criminal justice system's role in that."


    So you see, conservatives don't like it because it brings awareness of racists and/or racism, which they like to say doesn't exist anymore.

    It's the same reason they cannot relate to BLM. They don't get why black people just don't get a job, while never hiring them because they think they crime all day.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭arthursway


    As you say yourself it started out as an obscure academic concept and it is still now only a theory by it's very definition.

    You are also correct in saying that Blacks are incarcerated at much higher levels than whites it is estimated at a disparity of upto 5:1.

    Let's not forget when Black lives didnt matter in the introduction of Bill Clintons 1994 crime Bill supported by our dear politician of topic Joe Biden himself, handing out much harder sentences for crack cocaine over powder in a ratio of sentencing 100:1 for the same drug just different route into the body. This hit black communities much harder where crack was rampant compared to more affluent areas where cocaine powder is more prevelant.

    Donald trumps historical First step act sentencing reform passed in 2018 was touted to try and undo some of the damage done by those 100:1 sentencing but alas in 2021 the supreme court voted 9:0 against reducing sentences for past low level crack offenders.

    The real systematic racism in America is in Washington itself where race is used as a political weapon for gain and further power and there is one party who has been using this weapon more than the other in recent times.



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