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How long until we see €2 a litre and will it push more to EV's faster?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,472 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    Not planning to change in the next couple years, but thinking about the future



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Electric (including PHEV's) overtakes diesel in new car sales for the first time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,018 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    "Today's CSO figures show that a total of 15,814 new private cars were licensed in January, a reduction of 6.7% on the same month last year."

    BEVs comprised 11.46% of car sales, but overall sales were down. Energy costs and Government 'Green' driven initiatives to bankrupt people appear to be working. Rich people can afford new EV's while many can't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,335 ✭✭✭Miscreant


    I think the 6.7% reduction might have more to do with global supply constraints than Energy Costs or Government 'Green' initiatives TBH. Also, quite a lot of cars these days are bought on credit, so being "rich" has little to do with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,859 ✭✭✭Duckjob



    As someone who loves his "sh1tbox" electric car, loves even more spending < €3 to drive it 200km+ , and relies on change-fearing folk to take the hit and keep the party going , I thank you 😀



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,339 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    Enjoy it while it lasts it won't be long before they start telling you to put virtual petrol into your electric car at €2-3 quid per virtual litre to combat falling motor tax revenue. No doubt this will also require the use of some Orwellian transponder



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Enjoy it while it lasts it won't be long before they start telling you to put virtual petrol into your electric car at €2-3 quid per virtual litre to combat falling motor tax revenue. 

    Motor tax is already flagged as going to be changed, nothing new there. They are looking at a number of options, including all or a combination of the following

    • Emissions
    • Annual mileage
    • Weight

    Its very likely it will be something like E+AM+W= Tax, with an exponential weighting applied to emissions and vehicle weight



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,339 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    So the Annual mileage part of it will be the virtual petrol. You won't be escaping any longer when they bring that in. In 10 years or less they'll be making a problem about "all these bloody privately owned EVs on the road" and "why don't they just use a driverless uber car instead?". There will be a number of incentives to get people into the driverless uber cars, they might even be cheaper than your EV for a couple of years until everyone switches over



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm not sure about your virtual petrol analogy but I agree there are plans afoot to dis-incentivize people from using their cars, regardless of fuels. Those initiatives are only gaining pace and increasing in cost and will continue to do so to motivate people to switch to alternate modes of transport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,339 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious



    It would be better if we could get a government who accept that cars are here to stay. The EV crowd sniping at the Petrol crowd or vica versa isnt helping. We are all phukt if we just accept all the nasties they're lining up for us and allow their divide and conquer strategy to work. It would appear that a good few posters in here are not even aware that the government is plotting against all of us, or perhaps they are just turkeys voting for Christmas.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,523 ✭✭✭PsychoPete


    I'd say a big percentage of that is down to diesel not being available isn't it? There's still plenty of people that would buy a new diesel if you could get them. The dealer where I worked new car sales were 90% diesel and the rest petrol and evs until 2021 when they phased out diesel



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The dealer or the manufacturer phased out diesels?

    I know more manufacturers are moving away from ICE towards EV's with many stopping development on any new ICE development including Mercedes, Stellantis (Fiat/Peugeot/Citroen/Chrysler), Jag, Volvo, Ford (Euro), Audi/VW. These are instead focusing on EV development.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,576 ✭✭✭pajor


    As mentioned at the top of the thread, petrol here in the Netherlands has already reached €2/L here. Diesel getting close to €1.70 I saw €2.239 at the weekend even. Currently motor tax is free for EV's but that will end in 2025. From what I understand they're still looking at how to structure it then. Tax is currently based on fuel type and car weight. Government have been considering tax per KM's driven for a long time, implementing it is another story.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,018 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Self driving cars that don't require human oversight are not happening. Driving requires general intelligence and we'll reach another solar system before we manage that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,523 ✭✭✭PsychoPete


    Manufacturers I should have said but most manufacturers will have ice phased out by next year



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 660 ✭✭✭Killer K


    Are things moving that quickly Pete? Thought you would be able to get a new ICE cars for a number of years yet but that manufacturers will just have stopped developing/enhancing them.

    I see that new vrt changes have already killed a number of ICE cars by just making them too expensive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭frosty123


    So will the downtrodden motorists get any joy tomorrow regards fuel duty?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 390 ✭✭walshtipp


    Looks like the motorist will not be saving from the governments cost cutting measures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,547 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    Is anyone actually surprised? The motorist is the cash-cow that helps fund these type of schemes rather than benefit from them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21


    They have doubled the esb bill thing how much more lube do you want?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 182 ✭✭Ahherelads2022


    Our employer offer's free charging point's. Is it a no brainer to pay for an EV? . The journey to work is about 30k so 60k per day.



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Same, my place has about 16-20 charging points now I think. 2 years since I was onsite but I know they've expanded the qty they did have and yeah they're free to use



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Leonard Hofstadter


    Exactly. Nothing for folks who have no choice but to use a car for work and just life in general. People who live in cities and can use public transport have not had to deal with the cost of living crisis the way those who do big mileage or those living in rural Ireland have had to, so the solution the 'geniuses' in power have is to make it cheaper for those who weren't really feeling the squeeze anyway. And then they wonder why there is such ingratitude from the electorate.

    Of course the electricity credit and the other cost of living supports are welcome news but the price of petrol and diesel is clearly a big issue for people who have no choice to drive, and not one red cent of help there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    ya, wouldn't you think they'd suspend excise duty just temporally for a few weeks at least😕



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,018 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Motorists have never gotten any joy from an irish government - they are a cash cow to be flogged regularly, with n expectation theu show gratitude for it.

    Lets not forget heating also, the bleeps could lower the excise on heating oil too insted of trousering the massive windfall with big smiles. The politicians are loving this for the revenue windfall and are annoyed that they have to pretend to care and inconvenience themselves with making it look otherwise and coming up with some token gestures to placate the populace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    I see the M1 services at Lusk have reached 1.80 for petrol this morning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    and if the Ruskies go gaga in Ukraine the prices will go through the stratosphere 😕



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Whenever it happens it won't be fast enough for government. This is what governments do nowadays. They don't "ban" things, they just make it impossible for you and reduce your standard of living while doing it.

    Just like how they said to farmers that they won't make them cut any of their herd numbers, they'll just make it impossible for them to have the same herd size as now, i.e they might say you can only claim grants on a lower acreage now. So technically they're not forcing farmers to cut down, but really they are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 503 ✭✭✭PaulJoseph22


    Indeed and electricity seems to have doubled in price. Government still taking their big cut though…



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  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Jaysus, I originally posted a time line of May/Jun to break 2 eur a liter but at the rate its going it could be a lot sooner




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