How long until we see €2 a litre and will it push more to EV's faster?

I'd say this has a long way to go yet as global prices for oil & gas are surging

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/mar/02/oil-and-gas-prices-soar-as-russia-attack-on-ukraine-intensifies

saabsaab

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118717647#Comment_118717647

At least it's still available. I remember a time in the 1970's when the filling stations ran dry.

French Toast

Currently driving a 2.0 diesel. 50km round commute daily along with other tipping about / weekend driving.

Would consider dropping to a 1.4-1.6 litre or switching to petrol but won't be going EV any time soon.

saabsaab

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118720846#Comment_118720846

LPG?

frosty123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118720507#Comment_118720507

But who's to say that won't happen again, another month of this and I'd say we could be running dry😑

saabsaab

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118721051#Comment_118721051

Could easily.

Some quotes from this article

The signal from the White House was clear. Joe Biden is “very open” to the idea of adding oil and gas to the sanctions list as a way of escalating the west’s economic war against Vladimir Putin.

That will have serious consequences for Russia, but it will also add to cost of living pressures in the west. 

Bjarne Schieldrop, chief commodities analyst at SEB bank, estimates that 70% of the 4.3m barrels of crude Russia would normally be exporting daily is already frozen.

Most analysts assume crude will rise a little further – perhaps to $125 a barrel – and then start falling in the second half of the year. 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/mar/02/recessions-oil-price-surges

I think its safe to say, we're about to head north towards 10% inflation

Swaine

Newbridge earlier.

zell12

Indo screams: AA Ireland recorded a premium petrol product at the Maxol M3 Mulhuddart service station in Dublin priced at 200 cent per litre. Prices at the pumps are now at their highest since AA Ireland started recording them in 1991.

https://www.independent.ie/news/revealed-the-irish-filling-station-where-a-litre-of-petrol-broke-the-landmark-2-barrier-today-41404795.html

Atlantic Dawn

Probably only a matter of time before high quality smuggled petrol is sold around the country. When the tax, excise, carbon tax and VAT are taken out of the price of the legal product the margin is huge for fuel smugglers if they can get it in to the country.

fryup

i wonder are 'drive offs' on the rise??

cnocbui

Is there a point where the Irish government gets a conscience and reduces excise and taxes so they maintain their net take rather than joyfully thinking of all the ways they can waste the windfall they are bleeding off the electorate?

Miscreant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118724957#Comment_118724957

Nope.

tommybrees

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118723857#Comment_118723857

I'll be first in the queue

callaway92

The prices are beyond eye-watering now alright.

Thank fck WFH is still a thing for me. I actually think I'd have been priced out of the commute by now.

mumo3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118723857#Comment_118723857

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118725003#Comment_118725003

And then we're back to those bloody custom checks, where they dip the tank of anything with a diesel engine.

I drive a diesel (Eammon Ryan has me on the list for a direct route to hell 😂) and a couple of years ago I was stopped a number of times a week trying to get into work in an industrial estate, jesus the queue used to be backed up onto the N7, got to the stage you where more surprised on the mornings they weren't there.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118725323#Comment_118725323

Eamonn Ryan did drive a diesel up till very recently, he also came out and said for everyone not to change to electric, especially if they can't afford. What they are asking, along with the government, is if you are buying a new car then look at electric as an option instead of the automatic diesel choice. Seems a very good tip to be honest

bazz26

He also came out and suggested a car pooling scheme for rural Ireland claiming a village of 300 people only needed 30 cars.

He is a total clown and that is being kind to him.

Pussyhands

The government do not care about fuel prices. If they have any worry, it'll be the knock on effects to food prices etc. and rising inflation.

The government want it prohibitively expensive, even though there's no alternatives. They don't care if it reduces standard of living, as long as they tickle the balls of the EU they're happy.

MacronvFrugals

The Government will look at reducing excise duties on fuel and energy supplies, the Tánaiste has indicated in the Dáil.

Speaking during Leaders' Questions in the Dáil, Mr Varadkar said there is concern in Government about increasing energy costs, which he predicted would rise further in the coming weeks.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2022/0303/1284085-ukraine-ireland/

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118725400#Comment_118725400

In fairness, if you are not in a situation where you need to drive to work, you'll rarely need to drive. Personally I sold the car back in Oct 2020 and have used GoCar since then. I've only needed to use the service a total of 16 times since then and 7 of those were over a one week period when I was moving.

Total cost, 1007, avg cost 63 eur. If I exclude the ones where I was moving (driving long distances and keeping the van/car for extended periods) the avg cost was 34 eur.

Compared to the 600+ I was paying per month for the car before.

I literally saved the deposit for a house by getting rid of the car

bazz26

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118725589#Comment_118725589

Do you live in rural Ireland?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118725609#Comment_118725609

If you live in the sticks, miles from anything, then you're not likely to have any kind of services regardless of what they are.

If you live in a village or a town, then this might be a good option if the service is provided at that level

bazz26

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118725352#Comment_118725352

What's also ironic about Ryan is that it was his crew who drove the changes the VRT and motor tax system back in 2008 that induced the high demand for buying diesel cars by default. Most millennials would have been too young at the time to remember that though.

bazz26

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118725639#Comment_118725639

I live in a small village about 15km from a city so it's not in the middle of nowhere. I work from home and my car sits in the driveway during the day but I still need my car to get around in the evenings. There are a few buses that pass through the village daily but they are unreliable and don't run after 6pm. Public transport outside of cities is practically non existent. Lack of investment by consecutive governments over the decades in areas outside of Dublin has resulted in car dependency yet now they want to demonise and punish people living there for that dependency.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118725780#Comment_118725780

Fair enough, sounds like you'll be stuck with the car and the associated costs so. Ok

honeyjo

Petrol €2.00 a litre today in the Maxol on the N3

tommybrees

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118725589#Comment_118725589

Very interesting, something we'll worth looking out at

NinjaTruncs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118724957#Comment_118724957

Do you recall last yeah when various TDs were calling for a rebate on people insurance but never once mentioned a rebate on motor tax.

There is zero chance the government will do anything that will reduce tax intake.

BorneTobyWilde

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118688810#Comment_118688810

Or Coal Slurry Fuel 🤣

Which is actually a real fuel

BorneTobyWilde

I guess running on waste vegetable oil will be back in??

Tesco vegetable oil 1.20 a litre

Ger Roe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118726083#Comment_118726083

Except when you use it for fuel, then the tax and duty kicks in.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2055367982/running-on-veg-oil

appledrop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118724957#Comment_118724957

If they try and bring that carbon tax in aswell in May I really think people won't stand for it.

If crisis continues in Ukraine, the prices will keep rising which we can't control but no excuse for government taxes being so high.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118725642#Comment_118725642

Incorrect

The Greens changed the system based on information at the time to try and make the environment better. What nobody could have predicted was people would dump perfectly good cars to get a newer car at the cost of thousands so they could reduce tax by a couple of hundred euro.

I seen people at the time swapping 07 cars for 08 cars for 4-5k to reduce tax by 400 euro. It would have taken them 10 years to see the benefit yet this happened all the time.

You can't blame the Greens for that

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118725780#Comment_118725780

If you look over the years at the local TD you voted in, did you ever ask them to get a new road built or a road repaired to get a vote

Have you ever asked them to get public transport into the area?

9 times out of 10 I hear people complaining about the roads and TD/councillors getting voted in because they have promised a new road or a road fixed etc. I never hear a TD outside the cities getting voted in because they will get a proper bus/train service

Next time an election comes around, why not ask for that? demand it. Every person in ireland. Didn't we have recently some TD down in Cork saying he would quit FF because they wouldnt build a road and he got voted in to build the road

GandhiwasfromBallyfermot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118726531#Comment_118726531

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjl8OIZijjY

bazz26

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118726512#Comment_118726512

When it comes to things like cars the Irish have always made poor decisions well before Gormless, Mad Mary and Ryan signed up to the Green Party. For decades people bought the lowest spec car with the smallest engine possible because consecutive governments punished them through high VRT and motor tax rates. The evidence was there for the Green Party to see if they had bothered to look. The Greens brought a system in that literally favoured one type of fuel overnight and it was no surprise what was going to happen except to the Green Party. So they were either incompetent or not in touch with what was going on around them.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118726531#Comment_118726531

Oh why hasn't anyone thought about doing of that before?

Montage of Feck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118726083#Comment_118726083

Feck, just missed a diesel Peugeot 405 on done deal. When the apocalypse comes your fangled EV will be useless, the raider gangs will be running on diesel!

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118726927#Comment_118726927

The evidence at the time was that diesel was cleaner, unknown to everyone was that the car manufacturers had fiddled the engine and in fact it wasn't cleaner. All countries made this mistake. If diesel was as clean as the manufacturers made out it would have been the right decision. Still the fact people bought diesel for cheap tax even thought they spent more on fuel was unforeseen.

I have yet to see any TD's saying they will leave government because they haven't invested in trains/buses

Tombo2001

For me the obvious push is to cycling. I dont get the whole EV thing at all, electricity prices are also rising.

A lot of families with two cars do not need two cars.

AngelaRI

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118725044#Comment_118725044

Same! My fill-up cost has gone up a shocking amount (had to bite the bullet last night - ouch! €55-ish last March to fill up, €70-75 now. And I don't play fuel-roulette either so that's not even an entire tank's worth). Thankfully, rather than commuting through 2 tanks a week, a tank now lasts me 4-6 weeks (unless I'm going away somewhere for the weekend).

But...

Due to lack of driving, I occasionally have to take the 'scenic route' to Tesco to charge up the car battery if I notice it struggling to start. At this rate though, a new battery might soon be cheaper than a full tank 🙄😂

However, I live pretty rural, so having my car is 100% essential. Public transport here is infrequent, and off-peak practically non-existent, and no such thing as Go-Car anywhere near here

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118727110#Comment_118727110

Replacing 1 million cars with 1 million electric cars is totally pointless. We should be investing all money into public transport. As you say making it easier for cyclist as well.

bazz26

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118727099#Comment_118727099

The only car manufacturer I'm aware of that cheated and was convicted is VW. Were the rest of them convicted also? Also did big business dictate government strategy or policy because it sounds like you are saying that the Green Party had no part to play in the fiasco or were just gullible and eager to get their policies implemented? As for not foreseeing people buying diesels for the cheap tax, the dog on the street saw that happening, there was even a big thread on boards about it just after it was announced. You didn't need an Irish politician's degree in teaching to work that out.

I also haven't heard any TD's saying they will leave government because of the Children's hospital fiasco either, what does that say to you? It says to me don't expect them to do what's in their voters best interests.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118727408#Comment_118727408

They all cheated, Merc/Nissan etc was all caught. The difference was VW pi**ed off the US motor companies with a huge market share and they got hammered. The software after all was developed by Bosch who supplier all dealers. See below. Google them all and you will find they all done it.

The Green party implemented a system to clean up cars, that was the plan. They had two issues,

1. The car manufacturers lied
2. The irish people preferred to spend thousands to reduce tax

If the car manufacturers hadn't lied and the system implemented had targetted the correct cars would it be classed now as a "fiasco"? no it wouldn't

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltaylor/2020/09/15/mercedes-benz-parent-daimler-to-pay-22-billion-in-diesel-cheat-settlement/

mikeecho

I noticed a few stations have raised diesel by 12 to 15¢ overnight.

Petrol and diesel are now at a par on price.

I've been told, that is because diesel is quicker to refine than petrol, the price change gets passed on quicker.

Fuel companies who sold fuel to petrol stations set a price twice a week... This has now changed to daily pricing.

An industry insider expects fuel to be D€1.919 & U€193.9 by the weekend,. And it ain't stopping there.

tibia

While current prices are eye-watering (I have seen diesel over €1.90 per litre) the variation in prices between different retailers is also astonishing. I saw diesel around €1.64 on Sunday and according to pumps.ie Campus on East Wall Road was €1.649 yesterday. I am wondering why some forecourt prices have been jacked up over the last few days. I know the price of oil has gone up but it normally takes a while to filter through to the forecourt. I wonder if it's an attempt to take advantage of any reduction in excise duty which the Government might be about to announce?

circadian

2 quid a litre by month end, easily. I'd imagine it'd be closer to 220 then.

bazz26

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118727464#Comment_118727464

Bottom line it was their policy and their decision to implement it, they should have done proper due diligence before tinkering with something they obviously knew very little about. All too easy for the political culture to deflect blame elsewhere rather than having some accountability. Yet you can be sure they would have taken all the applause and kudos if turned out differently. Big egos and lack of proper knowledge got in the way.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118727893#Comment_118727893

What would proper due diligence look like in the context of unearthing a global emissions scandal?

sonofenoch

Garage in Inchicore was 1.82 pl thIs morning ..........went in later that day had gone up 5c to 1.87 ...WTF