How long until we see €2 a litre and will it push more to EV's faster?

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118668443#Comment_118668443

I asked first, so you tell me.

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118668461#Comment_118668461

Thanks, but I really don't need your permission.

Coddle4dinner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118653878#Comment_118653878

I replied that for the difference in price between a Tesla 3P and a Honda Civic Type R (FK8), you could buy enough petrol to drive 300,998 km, which is almost to the moon.

You're the one that knows the price.

You're full of shite 🤣, does telling porkies on the internet make you feel like a big man?

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118671191#Comment_118671191

The person I first mentioned was talking about his drive in his mates car through the Blue Mountains in Australia, so the prices were Australian and are: AU$55,00 for the fk8 and the price of a Tesla 3P is AU$101,857. Petrol in Oz is AU$1.769, so the price difference of 46,857 divided by that gives 26,488 litres of petrol you could buy. Divide by the consumption of 8.8l per 100km, gives 3010 multiplied by 100, gives 301,000 km of range. The Moon at perigree is 360,000 km away.

Do the same for the two cars in the UK and it's fairly similar.

Interesting numbers in this article, going from 125 eur a week in diesel to 20 eur a week with an EV.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/electric-cars-are-the-future-it-cost-me-125-to-fill-my-van-with-diesel-now-its-20-41370044.html

bazz26

Did anyone else find it a bit ironic that a company specialising in fitting EV home chargers were using diesel vans for work to begin with? That would be bit of a PR disaster rocking up to a customer to fit an EV charger, in an ICE vehicle.

Also I see lots of sensational figures being mentioned about saving money on fuel but I don't see it mentioned how much it actually cost them to trade their diesel vans in for EVs. No doubt they were bought through the company so qualified for some tax rebates via BIK, etc but most private buyers don't have the luxury of buying an EV through a company so to exclude that cost and only focus on the fuel savings is a bit silly and misleading. Also did the €125 fill on diesel include or exclude VAT which can be reclaimed on diesel by the company? I'm sure they reduced their fuel bills but It's a pity we didn't get some accurate all in figures instead of sugar coated ones to suit a narrative.

Overall the article is full of holes imo, typical Indo really.

Leonard Hofstadter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118676138#Comment_118676138

Another thing to note is that because petrol and diesel are already so heavily taxed, increases in energy prices have a much higher percentage increase in electricity. I did some maths recently and a 30 cent increase would cost me €20 a month in petrol.... even though it makes me wince every time I have to pay more than €100 to fill the car whereas before I might have gotten a full tank for less than €80, when I take a step back €20 extra a month is buttons compared to what I spend on other things. If fuel prices continue to increase, I'll just drive the car less, I'll make lots of small trips to the shop as I'll go on foot instead of one big trip in the car (as I do now), I'll find a way to cut out the more non essential journeys, that means when I do drive it, I will still enjoy the experience.

People should do the maths first before jumping on bandwagons. And if the tail end falls out of the market for ICE cars (as some would hope), then it just means the cost of change will go up massively, meaning the payback period is longer, therefore keeping a proper car with a real engine for longer makes more financial sense.

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118676012#Comment_118676012

Yes it's interesting, because it doesn't say what his capital expenditure was in order to save €105 a week.

BillyFord

Wait till there is a problem with an electric car, people will not be able to afford to repair them, ok when its on PCP but when car is 6 to 10 years old? What's going to happen then...

GandhiwasfromBallyfermot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118678462#Comment_118678462

Electric cars are actually cheaper to maintain and repair than petrol and diesel in most cases as they have fewer moving parts to go wrong. Big thing that can go wrong and cost a lot to replace. in EV cars is the battery which normally last 10 - 20 years with most manufacturers offering 10 year warranties on them.

ferg01

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118678462#Comment_118678462

Not sure if I follow that logic to be honest, maintenance costs will increase over time, regardless of technology. As EVs become more widespread, servicing options will increase as well.

I've just made the switch to EV (Tesla M3 SR) from an petrol A4. I reckon the Tesla will be circa €3k cheaper per year to run. I assume EV other EVs offer savings in the same ballpark. That in itself won't pay for the upfront price differential but diesel / petrol costs only going one way in the long term as carbon pricing comes into play. I do approx 15k km per year.

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118678531#Comment_118678531

I have a Honda Civic Type R that I have had 15 years. I mostly do my own repairs and it was only in Dec that it made it's first ever trip to a garage as killing myself with suspension spring compressors isn't in my life plan. All up, including that expensive exercise, my total expenditure on servicing, excluding tyres, would be about €2k in 15 years. I have low annual milage.

If you want an idea of cheap EV servicing, I believe a certain moderator bought a bargain used Tesla S, luckily with a dealer warranty, which immediately required a new battery pack and a new MCU(?) or whatever that thing is called.

My car is now 17 - what would be the state of an EV battery in 17 years time?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118676012#Comment_118676012

And it only cost him €60k - €100k to make the change

CreadanLady

Tesla cars are a decadent, luxury toy for the elite. They are not for the ordinary worker.

That is one of the reasons why they are largely not repairable - the elite won't bother, they will just buy a new one. Elon Musk is an absolute charlatan and is the main character in Eamon Ryan's wet dream.

Anyone follow Rich Rebuilds? Tesla flat our refuse to supply him spare parts or any service info. It is all a closely guarded secret and tesla spares and service info is only for dealers and only for the purposes of doing warranty work. As far as Tesla is concerned, a car out of warranty which develops a problem is a write off. At the end of the day they just want to sell cars.

markpb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118678531#Comment_118678531

On the last point, Tesla (and probably others) guarantee the battery to be 80% usable after 8 years. It’s not just that that the batteries are guaranteed for 8 years, they will still have plenty of life in them at the end of the warranty.

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118679569#Comment_118679569

You sure about that?

https://insideevs.com/news/396389/tesla-warranty-terms-change/

Tesla says range isn't the same as battery capacity and it's up to them to determine what it means and up to them to measure. Good luck with that.

Toyotafanboi

Honestly, controvertially, i personally dont think Tesla will last as a brand long term.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118652646#Comment_118652646

Your basic maths has a home charger at €2k. They can be supplied and fitted for €379.

CreadanLady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118679994#Comment_118679994

Good luck getting anything for €379. Fellas wouldn't start the van in the morning for that money. You couldn't get a qualified electrician in over the threshold for less than €500 these days, probably more. Tradesmen wouldn't get out of bed for less than €500 a day.

saabsaab

Going back to the original question. I'd say we would be looking at over 2.00 per litre by the Summer especially with the Russian war. Will it provoke a switch to electric cars? Of course it will and to any alternative fuels.

fryup

^^^^^^^^^

i wonder is that the 'real' reason for the war to make fuel so expensive that sways of people will switch to EV's?? and that Putin behind it all is a staunch environmentalist? hmmmm

saabsaab

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118680370#Comment_118680370

One way of looking at it! Others say he is in favour of Climate change as it would benefit Russia?

PaulJoseph22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118679488#Comment_118679488

I don’t see anything luxury about a Tesla, they’re not even well made.

Leonard Hofstadter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118676568#Comment_118676568

And also, he bought an MG, cheap Chinese rubbish if ever there was. No wonder the purchase price was so low. It never ceases to amaze me what drivel people will buy to save a few quid in running costs. But if you were going down the bargain basement route, a Dacia Duster is €8,000 cheaper, and even the new Jogger is still €6,000 cheaper.

Sure only the other day we were meant to go for lunch in my friend's Nissan Leaf. I've wanted to drive it for a while just to see what it's like. You'd never know, I might surprise myself and decide I even like the driving experience of some electric cars (I've driven a Tesla before and hated it for those who say I've never driven an EV)!

Problem is because of the storms, she couldn't go and get the car charged, as the battery was on 14%, and according to her, the range meter was overly optimistic so even though we only had a 10 km max round trip, she wasn't sure the car would get there and back. Needless to day, we went in a proper car with a real engine - my car, because real cars don't care about storms. She even admitted she now saw why I keep going on about how much easier life is with a combustion engined car, and also the only reason she bought it was because of the free company car tax. If it wasn't for that, she would have bought a 'self-charging' hybrid (a type of car I've very much become a fan of as it happens).

But don't take my word, take this video from someone who actually owned an EV, and has now gone back to a hybrid petrol car about why these things simply don't work in the real world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-M9Z6F18Vk

Dakota Dan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118679994#Comment_118679994

Gumbo? You need to change the first initial of your name, supplied and fitted for 379 dream on 😀😀😀

Dakota Dan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118680267#Comment_118680267

Yeah right I’ll change my trusty diesel that’s paid for to an EV and spend €30k in the process to save on fuel.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118681637#Comment_118681637

Yes, you need to educate yourself.

www.Irishpower.ie

Supplied and fitted for €979. Then we got the grant of €600 back. Nett cost of €379.

Sparks name was Ciaran Sherry.

Also, www.carcharger.ie if you need a smart, load balancing charger fitted. Supplied and fitted for €1199. Then the grant of €600 back so a nett cost of €599. That was for the Pulsar Wallbox

Electric Ireland will supply and fit the basic EO charger for €850 before the grant.

I also bought a QUBEV 32a charger from EVonestop in the uk for €231 delivered. Then paid a lock sparks to fit it on my parents house.

All of the above are easily researchable to back up my claims

Now, any other smart arse comments or are can you back up your nonsense.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118680120#Comment_118680120

Done it already.

Contact the company in the above post.

fryup

e scooters i tell ya is the way to go 😎

PaulJoseph22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118681413#Comment_118681413

The Chinese are not renowned for car production, albeit the lower end of the market I suppose.