Everything you always wanted to know about electric vehicle (but were afraid to ask)

unkel · 07-02-2022 04:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118595718#Comment_118595718

You're lucky! Early EVs like the Leaf and my Fluence can only charge at 3kW (16A single phase). Very few cars can AC charge at 22kW (32A 3 phase), my Tesla Model S with optional dual AC chargers can.

The norm is 7kW (32A single phase) these days and several newer cars can charge at 11kW (16A 3 phase), like your Ioniq 5

Paul Kiernan · 07-02-2022 04:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118596044#Comment_118596044

So that puts an end to my plan to stop for an hour for lunch at an AC charger and add the 100km I need to reach West Kerry. Looks like I'll need a DC charger.

innrain · 07-02-2022 04:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118596044#Comment_118596044

Sorry @unkel to correct a bit here. Most of EV post 2020 are 3phase16A so 11kW. Most that sell in big numbers anyway. MEBs, Koreans old and new platforms, Tesla. Single phase have I believe Stellantis retrofits, MG, Mazda, Honda but most of car manufacturers are ditching single phase for EVs. Even the new Toyota or new Nissan will have 11kW

Cupra280 · 07-02-2022 05:04PM

Quick question about Over Stay charges at ESB eCars stations.

Is it correct that the Over Stay fee only applies to DC chargers?

innrain · 07-02-2022 05:08PM

and Fast AC. The 43kW AC plug you find at the triples

mfceiling · 07-02-2022 10:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118596323#Comment_118596323

Yes....DC only.

Sabre Man · 08-02-2022 11:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118591857#Comment_118591857

If you're going to Killarney and need to charge, you would either charge on the way, eg. in Birdhill if coming from Dublin, or you can stay at a hotel that offers charge points. If you're staying in Killarney for a few days you could also use a fast or standard charge point in the town.

AndyBoBandy · 08-02-2022 12:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118591857#Comment_118591857

Regarding the trip to Killarney, If you didn't have a guaranteed charge waiting for you down there (hotel/holiday home etc..), then the idea would be to stop somewhere along the way (closer to destination the better) and take on a fast charge to top the battery up as much as possible before arriving (your battery would be warm after a long drive, so would therefore take on fast charge even faster). We went from North Dublin to Killarney last year, and stopped in Birdhill and topped up to about 95%, think we arrived in Killarney at about 45%. We took on an opportunistic fast charge in a local garage up to about 80% as we knew we'd be driving the mountains the following day. Drove over to Kenmare, and stopped in for coffee and there happened to be an available fast charger so took on 30% over about 15 minutes. That was enough to get us back up to Birdhill the following day.

Theres an AC charger in a carpark in the town centre we also plugged into for a bit (but honestly it was more for the parking spot), and took on about 10% or so.

Likewise for any other trips we've done, I'll always take any opportunistic charges I can get either along the way, or when I'm there as you never know when the next charger is going to be busy or broken, and it seems to have served us well.

mfceiling · 08-02-2022 01:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118596323#Comment_118596323

Yes....DC only.

Red Silurian · 08-02-2022 02:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118596323#Comment_118596323

It also applies if you are plugged in to the AC points on these chargers

Sabre Man · 09-02-2022 09:17AM

This is IEVOA chairperson Simon Acton's contribution to the panel discussion on empowering EV startups at the London EV Show 2021, where he talks about his own company, next eco car, which you can visit at nextecocar.ie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbfGazod_1E

shanec1928 · 09-02-2022 09:36AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118604206#Comment_118604206

I might have missed it but do you have some affiliation to the above group posting all the videos from there channel.

Sabre Man · 09-02-2022 01:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118604281#Comment_118604281

Yes

Paul Kiernan · 10-02-2022 05:39PM

How do I look after the EV Battery?

For 10 or 11 months of the year I'll be doing only 100-200km a week in my new 58kw (say 300km) Ioniq 5. My granny charger on night rate can manage about 30% battery recharge per night.

So the question is should I charge in a certain way to help maintain the battery. Hyundai suggest letting drop to 20% then charge to 100% but some online advice suggests only charge to 80%. I have a multitude of options and no idea which one is best or if it even matters!

theinferior · 10-02-2022 07:00PM

How easy is it to steal an EV? Or to prevent its theft?

I park outside my house, but don't have a driveway...

verizon · 10-02-2022 07:19PM

Just to follow on to my previous query. I emailed the hotel I am going to be staying in about charging points, they don't currently have one (I knew this already) but they did offer to have a charging point installed in their carpark. I'm not sure if I'll have my EV by then but I said that would be great if they can :)

unkel · 10-02-2022 08:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118611938#Comment_118611938

Just charge as you need it. Don't worry about looking after the battery. It is unnecessary. The battery is already well protected by the BMS (battery management system). Whatever you do, it won't have any material impact on your range or the state of health of your battery. Just the one thing: don't leave your car fully charged for weeks or months on end. That's not great. Apart from that, don't worry about it, just enjoy your car.

markpb · 11-02-2022 07:09AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118611938#Comment_118611938

It’s not good for some kinds of batteries to be left fully charged or nearly discharged for long. This is why the 20%-80% advice came into effect. Newer cars have a BMS feature which lies to it in order to protect the battery. If it says the battery is fully charged, it’s not. There’s a reserve left at the top so it won’t ever be fully charged. As unkel says, trust the BMS and it will look after the gory battery details for you.

Art2013 · 11-02-2022 10:17AM

Hi I’m new to this site.. Just purchased an Ioniq 5 ..73kw premium .., a couple of questions.. how do I know this model has a heat pump and how do I know it’s working? I have Bluelink app .. by the way not user friendly.. but negotiating it better now…two weeks in and charging using Zappi at home.. not charging up to anything close to 481km at 100 % .. come out in morning it’s at 340km another morning 402km.. is this normal? Car is really nice to drive.. just these concerns.. also I read that a 77.4 km battery on the way in Feb/ March.. our 73.6 Kw has 2 of the 32 cells unused.. so only using 30 cells presently in the car.. can we get these working to increase our range? Will Hyundai do this for us? Why did they leave this early 2022 purchaser short?

MightyMunster · 11-02-2022 10:50AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118595718#Comment_118595718

It's based on your cars onboard charger.

11 is good, lots of cars are only single phase 7kw

KCross · 11-02-2022 11:13AM

not charging up to anything close to 481km at 100 % .. come out in morning it’s at 340km another morning 402km.. is this normal?

it’s normal that it changes a bit based on the outside temperature.

the type of driving done in the last few trips also affect it.

you are showing quite a large range though. Not sure about that. Maybe you are comparing a warm day with easy driving vs a frosty morning or something.

also I read that a 77.4 km battery on the way in Feb/ March.. our 73.6 Kw has 2 of the 32 cells unused.. so only using 30 cells presently in the car.. can we get these working to increase our range? Will Hyundai do this for us? Why did they leave this early 2022 purchaser short?

I think you might have misread that. There are rumours they plan to add 2 cells to new cars. You don’t have two unused cells in your car so what you got you got and that’s that.

cars get improved and specs change all the time.

crisco10 · 12-02-2022 07:33AM

Been chatting to a few PHEV drivers and when I asked them how they maximise electricity use, the answer always seems to be drive it softly and gently. I.e. don't floor it. I noticed this myself on a couple of test drives as well.

But now I'm driving my BEV, and realising (what others said) is that the acceleration from the BEV is lightning and really torquey. So my question is, if Electric is so good at accelerating hard, why does that cause the ICE to kick in on a PHEV? "Fuel" conservation?

ted1 · 12-02-2022 09:24AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118619467#Comment_118619467

Completely different gearing ratios and the motor is rated different, the electric motors on hybrids isn’t as powerful.

e.g the Tucson phev has a 69kW motor , the ID range as a 109-225 kw motor

Grumpypants · 12-02-2022 09:28AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118619467#Comment_118619467

Smaller battery and smaller motor. Going faster uses more power so the Phev doesn't want to waste the electricity on acceleration over a short distance when it could be better used over a longer distance.

unkel · 12-02-2022 09:51AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118619467#Comment_118619467

Soft and gently is right. If even a Nissan Leaf is too fast for you, you might consider buying a PHEV 😁

But seriously I have heard from many disappointed PHEV owners. Thought they did the right thing going greener. Were a bit afraid of full electric, knew they would eventually go fully electric but decided to go half way this time and get "the best of both worlds". Of course they ended up with the worst of both worlds. You get the same performance as a slow boat petrol or diesel, nowhere near what an electric car can do. Any acceleration at all and the internal combustion engine kicks in. Range on electric far less than promised (which doesn't matter much in a BEV but you feel it directly in your wallet in a PHEV), general disappointment.

Sabre Man · 12-02-2022 10:36AM

You may presume that all the connectors of a charge point can be used at the same time, but that's not always the case, so in this video Inge will tell you which charge points allow for several connectors to be used at the same time, and which connectors they are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANoufDUkMYs

PaulJoseph22 · 12-02-2022 06:07PM

I have a PHEV, my brother an EV. He’s the one disappointed that he didn’t follow my path. PHEV is great for me, I’ll go full EV in a few years when we have a better charging network.

Paul Kiernan · 13-02-2022 11:56AM

PHEV v. BEV Efficiency

I just changed my BMW 530e for an Ioniq 5.

The 530 on a full charge (about 8kwh usable I think) only did about 20km of my typical city driving at this time of year so about 2.5km/kwh or 40kwh/100km.

The Ioniq, on the other hand, appears to be more than twice as good at over 5km/kwh or under 20kwh/100km!

Why such a big difference? One thing I have noticed is that the Ioniq 5 (if the figures can be trusted!) seems to get very good regen rates. About 6kwh for every 10kwh used.

PaulJoseph22 · 13-02-2022 02:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118624357#Comment_118624357

It may depend on the year of BMW you have, I know that the new BME 330e have doubled the distance on the previous ones.

I can get 45km on electric in the Winter and it’s great when you’re driving around all day in a wide area that has no access to chargers you can click over to petrol.

Everyones experience and circumstances are different plus the way you drive the car is a big factor as well.

verizon · 13-02-2022 08:58PM

Just to follow on to my previous query. I emailed the hotel I am going to be staying in about charging points, they don't currently have one (I knew this already) but they did offer to have a charging point installed in their carpark. I'm not sure if I'll have my EV by then but I said that would be great if they can :)

Everything you always wanted to know about electric vehicle (but were afraid to ask)

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