F1 2022 thread - see post 1 for rules

Harsh.

So what if he is in a mood?

He is a winner and like most winners doesn't like losing.

As long as he and max turn up with their A game does it really matter what gets spouted to grab a few headlines.

You'd swear people had to live with him 24/7.

He is a 7 time world champion still fighting for an 8th, what do you expect?

The brown nosing isn't his doing.

A person can be an F1 fan and not give more time on line spewing hatred about someone than they spend watching the races.

Anyway I'm not even a Hamilton fan just the amount of hatred said online about him doesn't seem right to me.

Not interested in Hamilton if he's in the public eye or not in the public eye.

What I am looking forward to is George putting it to Lewis this year in the same car. As much as we could have a Brawn scenario, it'll be this teammate battle that'll capture the headlines this year.

And I reckon McLaren will have a great year in the mix up the front.

Tell me about it... I turned on the TV earlier to watch the Race of Champions and guess what was on?

Lewis Hamilton sitting beside Martin Brundle blowing smoke up his arse praising him and asking what makes the difference between a good and a great driver. It's so awfully cringeworthy to watch as an F1 fan, all of us know what the difference is, having the privilege of driving the fastest car on the grid for multiple seasons... same for all the greats, it's s a package deal, car, team and driver.

The fake holier than thau persona he has created for himself is bad enough, but when you couple it with the media falsely making him out to be the undisputed god of F1 is a perfect storm in terms of inciting hatred against him.

Where are people getting the idea that Mclaren will make a big leap forward this year? I don't have a clue who will make advances and who won't. In assuming that the teams with proven track records will most likely develop a better car than those who have failed to build a better car in the last number of years.

I'd expect Mercedes and red bull to be at the top with a gap the the rest and Haas and williams to be at the back. But I've no idea how to predict anything beyond that

The amount of predictions we are seeing recently is just ridiculous, YouTube is full of "experts" making videos about the coming season.... Absolute twats.

Imagine if we were back in Feb 2009... who would have been predicting the teams that came 7th and 9th the previous season would then dominate the sport for the next 13 years taking every single drivers and constructors championship between them up until this day.

Massive regulations change means no one can make even an educated guess at the moment, other than trying to speculate about budgets and the cap.

Myself if love to see both RB and Merc cock up and end up with a sport turned on its head!

A bit awkward that as AMG Mercedes F1 did not exist in 2008 or 2009. I have no idea who came 7th and 9th in 2008. I know Mclaren and Ferrari were at the front and Lewis won his first WDC. Thats all I remember. Only Red Bull did and they not start to Dominate until 2010.

It's fairly obvious from my comment which teams came 7th and 9th, RedBull and Honda (which famously became Brawn Gp for just 8 months from March - November 09 when the name changed again to Mercedes GP)

Teams don't just cease to exist because someone wrote a cheque... Are you honestly trying to say the likes of Merc or Racing Point morphed into some completely different operation the second the name changed? That's a load of crap.

Irrelevant to my point anyway which was that when there is a major rules change it's pointless to speculate on performance.

That's a render right?

It is. A beautiful one.

Yeah, even the Haas reveal had the pushrod suspension bar photoshoped in

I made a point about the last time we had a rule change this big in the championship and said no one other than Brawn/Merc and Redbull have won championships since. You disagreed calling my point "awkward" and saying the Mercedes team didn't exist at the time.

How can you agree that RP was a continuation of Force India and say the opposite about Honda/Brawn?

I never said that.

Technicaly do in 2008 the Mercedes F1 team did not exist yes the people who work there would go to work at Mercedes F1 but it was still Honda F1 not Mercedes yet. You can look back in the past at many of the teams including Red Bull and trace there heritage of what teams they came from but they were that team then not the team they are now. Yes a lot of the same people might work there but the team name and even the way they do things are where or how they do it will have changed a lot. They were Honda and as you rightly point out in 2009 it was Honda who helped fund the fitting of the Mercedes engine and for updates not Mercedes so it was still not Mercedes F1 untill it was bought by them in November of that year. Then the team became Mercedes F1.

No Alpine are still Renault and Aston Martin are still Racing Point which is still Force Ibdia.

Which is still Midland, which is still Jordan?

How many times do you have to change the brush head and the handle before you call it a new brush?

It was more of a throwaway comparison than anything before someone decided Brawn and Honda were in no way connected...

Merc weren't on the grid in 09, but the Brawn GP team that formed the basis the current Merc team grew from certainly was. It wasn't like they came in and cleaned out the place like RB did in 04-5. Merc knew they had a championship winning team and built on what was already there.

I definitely can't say they are the same anymore, but that's not how history works, it was gradual. I don't look at a Merc now and say that's a Tyrrell or a Brawn, I did however look at the 09 Brawn and say it was a Honda, and the 2010 team as Brawn with added silver! It was Brawn himself that built up the Merc team and put in the foundations for the Hybrid era.

If some people think when a teams ownership changes the team immediately becomes a new entity then what does that say about the likes of Williams and Mclaren...?