Killing of ISIS leader Abu Ibrahim al-Hashimi al-Qurayshi

@SafeSurfer

The question is if the US can be believed when it claims civilians were killed by the enemy when US forces obliterated the building where those civilians lived.

The fighting and dying in the war against Islamic State has largely been done by the Syrians

The house wasn't obliterated ,seems a structure on the roof was blown up .

The Syrian fought isis sorry that's utter nonsense ,the Iranians ,hizbollah Russia fought anti Assad forces in and around Damascus.

Fighting isis on the ground was the Kurdish forces backed by Western special forces and airpower ,

Who do you think is currently fighting isis it's not the Assad's forces or Russians.

Russian and Syrian forces are not still fighting isis. And only ever fought them when they threatened the regime. After the Russians baled out Assad, and turned the tide in his favor, all of the resistance held areas were cleared one by one after negotiations which gave the rebels and their families safe passage, with all their light weapons to Idlib, where they remain to this day. There has been a truce between Assad / Russians and anyone presently living in Idlib which would include not only isis, but other anti regime forces too. Some of which would be anti-isis as well as anti regime. Neither the regime or Russians have attacked isis or anyone else in Idlib for more than 2 years. And neither will they, unless Assad is threatened. However, the Yazidi's have continued their fight, and as this latest attack shows, the US is still attacking isis too. You can be sure that the US is supplying and supporting the Yazidi's in other ways than boots on the ground.

Latest BBC news from 1 hour ago, The special forces landed by helicopters and surrounded the house, and according to locals, using megaphones called on the inhabitants to leave, and people did leave, from the ground floor, and 10 people, including 8 children were evacuated safely. The white helmets say that they found the bodies of 6 children and 4 women in the house after the raid. The US forces came under heavy fire, and the whole operation lasted 2 hours, with one of the helicopters having to be destroyed. ( reportedly by a technical mal function ) The 3rd story roof was damaged, and its thought this was when Al-Hashimi blew the explosives that were rigged. Hashimi's 2nd in command and his wife and children. who were in the 2nd story were killed also. The decision to raid it and not bomb it was taken precisely to keep the deaths and casualties to a minimum.

According to you, the US is finished, all credibility destroyed for all time..big bad empire. And you are delighted!! Wonder why so many people are trying to reach it so, from all over the world??? Thousands and thousands....Well, I'll tell you one thing, God help the free world, if the US ever goes under. They have made mistakes, and bloody great big ones at that, and these are well known, but I'd infinitely prefer to live in a not -perfect warts and all US, than many of the Countries on Earth at the present time.

Go back to bed .....

You forgot to mention putin , Russia good America bad ...

@SafeSurfer Russian and Syrian forces are still dealing with ISIS......

Seems the Americans and Kurdish forces are in the media for killing Abu Ibrahim al-Hashimi al-Qurayshi ..

Remind us what the thread title is

The killing of Abu Ibrahim al-Hashimi al-Qurayshi ,

Killed by US and Kurdish forces ....

Not Syrian or Russian forces , apparently they are still looking for ISIS how many years later

About last night - it seems reasonable collateral damage that civilians and kids die in these type of raids/attacks

something tells me the same blasé attitude wouldn't fly if american kids were being killed to get a single guy.

it's ok once it "others" :rolleyes:

America is a stain on humanity with it's foreign policy - sadly for Americans , American foreign policy is controlled by an elite few to suit their own evil agenda but they are all labelled with it.

The stain on humanity is Isis - what kind of human being uses children as a human shield? Or indeed children as suicide bombers. This guy killed his own kids, and he wouldn’t bat an eyelid at killing yours (assuming you’re not Muslim). Good riddance.

‘Name one place they ever made better’

Europe 1945

You’ll get your wish soon, the US is getting more insular and less willing to be involved in regional conflict. Nothing to worry about, I’m sure the likes of Russia and Belarus have total respect for human rights, without America there’d be no more war 🙄

sure.

It's not an either - or. USA or the Russia.

The 1960s called, they want their propaganda back.

Except that where possible, the US at least try's to minimize deaths and injury's to the civilian population. And in this case, they could have done this with absolutely no risk to their own soldiers lives, with a simple flic of a switch a drone could have completely destroyed the building, reduced it to rubble, and killed everyone in it.

The pertinent questions is why didn't they? I think the answer lies more in the optics than nobility.

Obama's administration wrote the rule book on minimizing civilian causalities, but even then it was allowed, the scale ranged from zero to unspecified. But civilian deaths were acceptable based on largely the risk profile of the target. Biden reinstated the rule book and incorporated it into his "over the horizon" policy.

This high profile target ticked all the boxes for a drone strike under Biden's own policy.

The problem is though, they could not afford to get it drastically wrong again, the last high profile drone strike killed 10 civilians, which in itself wouldn't be unusual, but it had a 100% civilian casualty rate which even to your most ardent american war mongering citizen is not palatable.

Biden got lucky with the raid, Win-Win-Win for him.

Scumbag blows himself up, he kills the civilians, no American casualties and the White House get to release the photos of the President with his jacket off in the war room.

Fine margins though, if the Americans had taken casualties themselves, the question would revert back to why didn't he use a drone.

I never suggested they blew up the house.

But how do they confirm the 1000s of other higher profile targets they obliterated with drone strikes?

Also I very much doubt this lad with 10m dollar bounty on his head had internet access.

You mentioned the recent deaths of 5 Syrian Soldiers, you didn't say when, so I assumed 2021. My big bad. I never said that the Syrian Army did not fight isis...EVERY one fought isis but it was not the Syrian army which defeated isis. The Russian and Syrian Army's prime function was to protect the regime, and that's exactly what they did. And still do to this day. But that did not extend to driving isis out of Syria... first that would have meant too many Russian body bags and loss of equipment etc, and no guarantee of success, and of course removed the reason for Assad needing the Russians. The Russians needed the threat of isis and the free Syrian Army to maintain their hold on Assad., and they still do. So no, it was not the regular Syrian army which defeated isis, it was the Kurds, and the Free Syrian Army supported by the US which were the main forces which did that.

And on the Afghan population question, one source I checked (Country Economy Afghanistan 2010 says 24.6 million ) and current population is given at 40.38 Million. Either figure you go by, shows a remarkable increase in population Nrs. Which is attributed to the US spending in Afghanistan. But, anyway...give it a few months and see what will happen when the full effects of the US departure are felt... but even now, its not looking good.. Afghanistan is being ranked as the worst hunger crisis in the world for 2022., source International Rescue Committee, with widespread poverty and collapse of the health system and society in general with massive inflation affecting what ever cash family's have. There are already story's of women ( and men) selling kidney's ( or other body parts) for cash in order to survive, and very young girls sold to older men in marriage "arrangements".

I have lived and worked in Afghanistan for many years, and made many friends , so yes they keep me updated, I saw first hand the changes the US made for the better. If it was possible to hold referendum now, to bring back the US, how would it go do you think??? Let me tell you...it would win by a landslide.

As for Libya, Ghaddafi was ruthlessly putting down a revolt with such brutality, that NATO got involved and declared a no -fly zone to protect the civilian population. So an approved security council mandate. Nothing to do with the US. If Ghadafi had had his blood thirsty way, the big question would have been "Why did no one stop him?" And, yes I know very well what a "No Fly Zone" is and how it operates..I was in plenty of them.

" your quote " Glibly and sarcastically " now if that's the kind of terminology you want to use to denigrate any of my posts, it says more about you then me. If you want to continue the discussion, fine, but keep these kind of remarks to yourself. I don't use them in my posts. Aim for the point under discussion, not the poster.

.Just scroll through the many posts here on Boards, and see how many are bad mouthing the US...When was the last time you saw a post glorifying or praising the US? I'm not under any illusions about what the US is and isn't, and that's for sure, but if I had to choose between all the superpowers, I'd still be voting for the US. The thing is, what ever chance you have of seeing or hearing about all the bad things the US do, there's too many country's where you will only hear what they want you to hear.

Regarding Saudi, I'm 100% of the same view.

One of the main reasons isis ( and others of the same ilk) mingle and integrate with "normal" populations is for protection.. they are well aware that the US and other western military's are very reluctant to attack if it involves civilian deaths ( I know the 10 innocent deaths in Afghanistan belie that statement, but the circumstances were far different there ) isis do not give damn who or how many gets killed, or who does the killing. If its the US, its makes for really good propaganda ( another reason that the US avoid it as much as they can, aside from the human aspect.) and if they are killed by isis, its Ins'h Allah. Over all, isis has killed thousands more Muslims than non Muslims. Isis are as evil as evil gets.