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Killing of ISIS leader Abu Ibrahim al-Hashimi al-Qurayshi

  • 03-02-2022 7:29pm
    Registered Users Posts: 5,483 ✭✭✭ SafeSurfer

    I just saw the footage on RTE news of the house in which it is claimed ISIS leader Abu Ibrahim al-Hashimi al-Qurayshi blew himself and thirteen other people up, including 4 women and 6 children during an attack by US special forces.

    Hardly anyone will care if these people killed by US forces or by a suicide bomb but we should care about the truth.

    The US narrative just doesn’t appear credible to me.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,371 ✭✭✭✭

    The US are finishing a war against what's left of Islamic State.

    There are always going to be appalling incidents given the nature of IS, it's leaders and foot soldiers.

    So not really sure what the complaint is?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 35,661 ✭✭✭✭ Gatling

    Go back to bed .....

    You forgot to mention putin , Russia good America bad ...

    Langley, Virginia


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,302 ✭✭✭✭ Peregrinus

    It looks perfectly credible to me.

    On the other hand, the notion that the US forces blew up everybody in the house would also look perfectly credible to me.

    Both sides in this conflict are quite capable of doing something like that.

  • Registered Users Posts: 35,661 ✭✭✭✭ Gatling

    @SafeSurfer Russian and Syrian forces are still dealing with ISIS......

    Seems the Americans and Kurdish forces are in the media for killing Abu Ibrahim al-Hashimi al-Qurayshi ..

    Remind us what the thread title is

    The killing of Abu Ibrahim al-Hashimi al-Qurayshi ,

    Killed by US and Kurdish forces ....

    Not Syrian or Russian forces , apparently they are still looking for ISIS how many years later

    Langley, Virginia


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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,402 ✭✭✭✭ Hello 2D Person Below

    I'm the person that says Putin is a dictatorial menace and Russia and USA get up to bollocks abroad.

    I'm objective.

  • Registered Users Posts: 519 ✭✭✭ foxsake

    About last night - it seems reasonable collateral damage that civilians and kids die in these type of raids/attacks

    something tells me the same blasé attitude wouldn't fly if american kids were being killed to get a single guy.

    it's ok once it "others" :rolleyes:

    America is a stain on humanity with it's foreign policy - sadly for Americans , American foreign policy is controlled by an elite few to suit their own evil agenda but they are all labelled with it.

  • Registered Users Posts: 36,513 ✭✭✭✭ Boggles

    Why would American special forces blow up a building from the ground?

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,544 ✭✭✭ Multipass

    The stain on humanity is Isis - what kind of human being uses children as a human shield? Or indeed children as suicide bombers. This guy killed his own kids, and he wouldn’t bat an eyelid at killing yours (assuming you’re not Muslim). Good riddance.

  • Registered Users Posts: 519 ✭✭✭ foxsake

    sure ISIS are a stain also - so you missed the point.

    ISIS came with a burst and and almost gone - yet we have decades of american "freedom" being foist on the world . A world that doesn't want it.

    all to suit the agenda of the Israel , the military industrial complex and big Corporates.

    Ever wonder why america is so hated by many in certain parts of the world? Ever wonder how these groups can recruit?

    America does the recruiting for them by their interventions around the globe that causes massive upheaval to the lives of local and plenty of civilian deaths. Name one place they ever made better ? Maybe Bosnia for the muslim population but that's a stretch.

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,483 ✭✭✭ SafeSurfer

    Syrian forces are not still fighting ISIS?

    I’m sure the families of the 5 dead Syrian soldiers killed by ISIS just a few weeks ago will take great comfort in that.

    You say I am delighted that US credibility has been undermined.

    I assure you I am not.

    You ask why thousands and thousands of people are trying to reach the US. Well the truth is thousands of people have been fleeing the countries of their birth, it no small part because of US foreign policy. Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, all destabilised or destroyed by US misadventures.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis

  • Registered Users Posts: 519 ✭✭✭ foxsake


    It's not an either - or. USA or the Russia.

    The 1960s called, they want their propaganda back.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 36,513 ✭✭✭✭ Boggles

    Except that where possible, the US at least try's to minimize deaths and injury's to the civilian population. And in this case, they could have done this with absolutely no risk to their own soldiers lives, with a simple flic of a switch a drone could have completely destroyed the building, reduced it to rubble, and killed everyone in it.

    The pertinent questions is why didn't they? I think the answer lies more in the optics than nobility.

    Obama's administration wrote the rule book on minimizing civilian causalities, but even then it was allowed, the scale ranged from zero to unspecified. But civilian deaths were acceptable based on largely the risk profile of the target. Biden reinstated the rule book and incorporated it into his "over the horizon" policy.

    This high profile target ticked all the boxes for a drone strike under Biden's own policy.

    The problem is though, they could not afford to get it drastically wrong again, the last high profile drone strike killed 10 civilians, which in itself wouldn't be unusual, but it had a 100% civilian casualty rate which even to your most ardent american war mongering citizen is not palatable.

    Biden got lucky with the raid, Win-Win-Win for him.

    Scumbag blows himself up, he kills the civilians, no American casualties and the White House get to release the photos of the President with his jacket off in the war room.

    Fine margins though, if the Americans had taken casualties themselves, the question would revert back to why didn't he use a drone.

  • Registered Users Posts: 669 ✭✭✭ DarkJager21

    Meh it's a win-win situation however you look at it, another ISIS rat wiped off the face of the earth and 10 other potential headhackers in waiting taken out as well. I won't lose any sleep over it.

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,483 ✭✭✭ SafeSurfer

    At least try to get some of your facts right.

    You said the Syrian army isn’t fighting ISIS.

    They are.

    You said the Syrian soldiers were killed in 2021.

    They were killed in 2022.

    You say the 20 years of US occupation of Afghanistan, “Operation Enduring Freedom”, were probably the best in the country’s history.

    I suppose all your Afghani friends are telling you this are they?

    You say the population of Afghanistan in 2011 was 20 million.

    It wasn’t, it was 30 million.

    You said the West got involved in Libya with no fly zones.

    There was much more western involvement in Libya than no fly zones. A no fly zone is where enemy aircraft are prevented from flying in Libya Western powers bombed Libyan forces to force regime change.

    You glibly conclude by sarcastically saying the Americans are the permanent bad guys.

    No one is suggesting that. However their intervention in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria has not covered them in glory. Their non intervention in the horrific atrocities committed by their dictator allies, the Saudis in Yemen reinforces the cynicism we should have of American foreign policy motives and morality.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis

  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,809 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Manic Moran

    "why didn't they".

    1) Confirmation that he was there and he is deaded.

    2) Can grab computers etc for further intel.

    There's nothing stopping them blowing up the house afterwards, of course, but there is equally absolutely no reason to do it.

  • Registered Users Posts: 36,513 ✭✭✭✭ Boggles

    I never suggested they blew up the house.

    But how do they confirm the 1000s of other higher profile targets they obliterated with drone strikes?

    Also I very much doubt this lad with 10m dollar bounty on his head had internet access.

  • Registered Users Posts: 20,228 ✭✭✭✭ breezy1985

    American kids are perfectly acceptable as collateral damage to Americans but only if it's black ones shot by police or poor ones conscripted to fight foreign wars.

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,315 ✭✭✭ jmreire

    You mentioned the recent deaths of 5 Syrian Soldiers, you didn't say when, so I assumed 2021. My big bad. I never said that the Syrian Army did not fight isis...EVERY one fought isis but it was not the Syrian army which defeated isis. The Russian and Syrian Army's prime function was to protect the regime, and that's exactly what they did. And still do to this day. But that did not extend to driving isis out of Syria... first that would have meant too many Russian body bags and loss of equipment etc, and no guarantee of success, and of course removed the reason for Assad needing the Russians. The Russians needed the threat of isis and the free Syrian Army to maintain their hold on Assad., and they still do. So no, it was not the regular Syrian army which defeated isis, it was the Kurds, and the Free Syrian Army supported by the US which were the main forces which did that.

    And on the Afghan population question, one source I checked (Country Economy Afghanistan 2010 says 24.6 million ) and current population is given at 40.38 Million. Either figure you go by, shows a remarkable increase in population Nrs. Which is attributed to the US spending in Afghanistan. But, anyway...give it a few months and see what will happen when the full effects of the US departure are felt... but even now, its not looking good.. Afghanistan is being ranked as the worst hunger crisis in the world for 2022., source International Rescue Committee, with widespread poverty and collapse of the health system and society in general with massive inflation affecting what ever cash family's have. There are already story's of women ( and men) selling kidney's ( or other body parts) for cash in order to survive, and very young girls sold to older men in marriage "arrangements".

    I have lived and worked in Afghanistan for many years, and made many friends , so yes they keep me updated, I saw first hand the changes the US made for the better. If it was possible to hold referendum now, to bring back the US, how would it go do you think??? Let me tell would win by a landslide.

    As for Libya, Ghaddafi was ruthlessly putting down a revolt with such brutality, that NATO got involved and declared a no -fly zone to protect the civilian population. So an approved security council mandate. Nothing to do with the US. If Ghadafi had had his blood thirsty way, the big question would have been "Why did no one stop him?" And, yes I know very well what a "No Fly Zone" is and how it operates..I was in plenty of them.

    " your quote " Glibly and sarcastically " now if that's the kind of terminology you want to use to denigrate any of my posts, it says more about you then me. If you want to continue the discussion, fine, but keep these kind of remarks to yourself. I don't use them in my posts. Aim for the point under discussion, not the poster.

    .Just scroll through the many posts here on Boards, and see how many are bad mouthing the US...When was the last time you saw a post glorifying or praising the US? I'm not under any illusions about what the US is and isn't, and that's for sure, but if I had to choose between all the superpowers, I'd still be voting for the US. The thing is, what ever chance you have of seeing or hearing about all the bad things the US do, there's too many country's where you will only hear what they want you to hear.

    Regarding Saudi, I'm 100% of the same view.

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,483 ✭✭✭ SafeSurfer

    You mention you know how No fly zones operate because you were in plenty of them.

    In your experience of many UN mandated no fly zones is it usual for TV stations to be targeted and for rebel forces to be armed?

    Do you know how many Libyan aircraft were shot down? None. 400 tanks destroyed.

    The House of Commons cross party investigation into intervention in Libya was scathing in its criticism.

    You say Gadaffi was ruthlessly putting down a revolt. Did your Libyan friends tell you that. The French claimed half a million people were imminently going to be butchered in Benghazi. All later discredited.

    NATO went on the offensive in Libya after Libya had declared a ceasefire and after the US had launched the first attacks. A simple case of regime change and lucrative oil contracts for a French company ELF.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,315 ✭✭✭ jmreire

    One of the main reasons isis ( and others of the same ilk) mingle and integrate with "normal" populations is for protection.. they are well aware that the US and other western military's are very reluctant to attack if it involves civilian deaths ( I know the 10 innocent deaths in Afghanistan belie that statement, but the circumstances were far different there ) isis do not give damn who or how many gets killed, or who does the killing. If its the US, its makes for really good propaganda ( another reason that the US avoid it as much as they can, aside from the human aspect.) and if they are killed by isis, its Ins'h Allah. Over all, isis has killed thousands more Muslims than non Muslims. Isis are as evil as evil gets.