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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,328 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    I wonder how much of it is mickey waving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,588 ✭✭✭Titzon Toast


    200k mikes and you can be owner number 14 for €4.5k.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,730 ✭✭✭✭CianRyan


    Are Carinas cool in any other country?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,308 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon


    I had a Carina e many years ago and lost the key so broke the barrel and started it with a screw driver. I'm surprised it was never stolen as the doors were not locked and the work to steal the car was already done for who ever would want to steal it.

    I loved that car as I didn't care about it and drove down gravel roads/ rocky roads(bog roads) at speed. But I drove faster back then than I do now. I remember on the motorways doing the top speed the car could do and drove like that all the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    ^^^ "the top speed the car could do"

    you mean 50mph😋



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,730 ✭✭✭✭CianRyan


    I drove it one from Gweedore to Inchicore one night, 2l non turbo diesel.

    Had a very sketchy over taking moment going uphill, interesting car alright!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,985 ✭✭✭PsychoPete


    Maybe in Africa when everyone else in the shanty town has a Corolla



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,308 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon


    Jesus Gweedore what the hell were you doing all the way up there. Mine was a petrol.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,730 ✭✭✭✭CianRyan


    My mate bought it, told us we were going to collect it but didn't mention it was in Gweedore. 😅



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭sk8board




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,308 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,588 ✭✭✭Titzon Toast




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,730 ✭✭✭✭CianRyan


    Was looking at that earlier, not sure if he's dreaming. Not saying he's not but it will probably sell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,308 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon


    Have to say it does look clean on the outside but afaik he said it got a paint job. Engine bay didn't get much love. It got a rebuilt engine at some point but when is not mentioned and it has high mileage so if it is recent that isn't too bad as with that high mileage engine would be worn.

    The steering wheel is well worn which would annoy me every time I drove it. The Recaros look to be in good condition despite age and mileage.

    It's dear too as you say and the number of owners is crazy. I wonder how much he paid for it as it is a dealer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,985 ✭✭✭PsychoPete


    That EK9 will probably sell for around that money



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,885 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    I notice some of the groups I'm in still have reasonable prices, it's the lads chancing their arms on donedeal that's driving everything else up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,610 ✭✭✭cpoh1


    A very scary thought. Bang for buck you are getting a very average car for that money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,370 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    7 year old Japanese import Honda Jazz with a roof tent. Yours for only €12,000...

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,350 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    In Ireland, I'd doubt it. In the UK, US or Japan probably(especially the US though it would need to be parked up for a few years). Ireland's market for that sort of thing is absolutely tiny and most who would be in that market already have one, or similar for years. A new buyer willing to slap down 24k on a weekend car that's an 18 owner tired example with a respray and interior shiny spray? I really don't know. The seats do look good for that mileage. I'd be shocked if they haven't been partially retrimmed with new bolsters.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,610 ✭✭✭cpoh1


    Bolster changeout in the ek9/dc2/dc5 was a cheap and easy job and hid a huge amount of the wear on these.

    You mentioned the ek9 as a weekend car - i just dont get it even at affordable prices. Its not particularly fast (not always the point of a weekend car i know) and just never felt in anyway special to drive or even to sit in. From the drivers seat i could never tell the difference between the ek9 and a normal SiR and the SiR was an average car in its own right.

    For what its worth i have the dc2 in the same bracket even though its a much superior handler to the ek9. The DC5 too. Nostalgia is the only thing you can pinpoint as a reason for spending this kind of money on these cars because they are very average drivers by modern standards. If I wanted a fast fwd hatch/coupe its got to be a modern fast renault.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,308 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon


    Ah now I would hold a ek9 and DC2 in a tier above a fast Renault. But I'm not sure which Renault you are talking about. Is it the last of the N/A models or when they stuck turbo's on them?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,350 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I found the EK9's I drove gutless TBH. The engine was either doing impressions of a Kei car with asthma or screaming like a banshee but you had to work hard to keep it there. One example I drove with 1.8 transplant completely changed the car for the better. Handling wise the two are about the same. In fact on paper the EK9 with exactly the same suspension setup, a slightly longer wheelbase, lower weight and an actually seam welded chassis is/should be better. the DC2 is certainly not a much superior handling car. At best there's a blonde one between them. The DC5 is inferior to both on this score. The base integra feels more 'sporty', more coupe like and I reckon that's 90% of the perception difference, but that's all it is.

    And nostalgia is in it that's for sure. I mean an E-Type Jag is slower than many SUV's but there's more to it than that. There's also feel and dynamics and a well driven EK9 would worry quite a few modern hot hatches and would blow hot Renaults five years either side of it into the weeds. Hell on the 'Ring, which is not exactly the place for a tinny NA 1.8 90's Jap car with a 130 odd mph top whack, a DC2 is faster than a Clio V6, GT86, 964 911 Carrera RS and a Clio RS 200 EDC.

    The best rear wheel drive car I've ever driven was a 1960's Lotus Elan. Unreal levels of feel and pointability that made any modern BMW M car feel like a fat man dancing. Now the Beemer by every single other metric will be many many lightyears better, but I could 100% understand a BMW owner having an old Elan sitting in the garage for a weekend blast and paying for that.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,610 ✭✭✭cpoh1


    Maybe im getting cynical in my old age (or hindsight is now 20/20) but after nearly a decade driving and owning a CRX mk2, CRX del sol (in hindsight one of my favourite hondas), EK9 (for only a few months), DC2 and DC5 I just dont get the fascination and associated high costs with them now.

    On the ring or a nice circuit im sure theyre a great experience but honestly I have 15km of twisty backroads as part of my commute and my Passat CC GT 170 with DSG is just as enjoyable and as quick as any of them on that section of road. People will be shocked by a statement like that, but its true.

    I pulled my DC5 out of storage after 9 years and had great intentions of making it mint and keeping it for weekends but after a few decent spins I just couldn't fall in love with it like i had before so i sold it. As a weekend car an N/A fwd honda just makes zero sense to me and in the 20k bracket its madness. They just dont feel special to drive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,610 ✭✭✭cpoh1


    Pointless post but my two favourite hondas were:

    Best overall package: DC5. Faster and with some subtle tweaks better handling than the DC2. Used it as my daily for 4 years and put 100k on it flawlessly.

    Most memorable: CRX del sol. Such a novelty with the rear window, clip off roof and unique styling. Didnt handle as well as the rest but roof off vtec made up for it.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,350 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I have noticed among mates as we've gotten older that in general torque becomes more prefered over horsepower and they prefer more comfort, especially when it comes to NVH. With those who like their pies low cars are not liked. The most extreme being one lad who once was mad for Lotus, where he had to grease himself up to get into the things, but who now loves big German iron with all the trimmings. And fair enough.

    An EK9/DC2/5 would leave a Passat for dead(more torque, same power, 300kilos heavier with a meh chassis), but you'd be doing prison speeds and it would take a lot more concentration, but the thing is I would actually agree with you; for a bit of safe enough spirited driving without going nuts the Passat would be far easier to live with and clearly better day to day. There's a reason why the lairy JDM stuff nearly always has a dozen plus previous owners. People don't tend to hang onto them they way they would a classic Beemer for example.

    Though I disagree with this; even with tweaks a DC5 isn't close to what can be achieved, or indeed out of the box with the superior unequal length wishbone setups of the earlier Hondas. Honda went costcutting, like they did with the replacement for the EP3. The rear setup is OK, but doesn't have the passive toe in under braking of the earlier stuff. The 5's are well known for bump steer and woolly feel and many make them even worse by lowering them, cos that's what you do for 'handling'. Not(or you have to know what the hell you're changing and doing). Keep the suspension stock, replace tired bushings, run more negative camber at the front and add a stiffer rear antiroll bar. That's about your lot. They are a much more modern car though, more comfort, better fit and finish, far less creaky and IMHO still look pretty current. The others are clearly products of the 90's and early 90's at that. The EKs and DC2 look like an old car, the DC5 doesn't to nearly the same degree.

    As for popularity of the old stuff, there's a load out there that would sell their first born for Toyota AE36's and they go for strong money. The price of Supras has gone insane. BMW E30 M3's are what now, a hundred grand? It's a minority of guys into their model of older/classic car, but decent survivors of those old cars get harder and harder to find each year so prices naturally go up. It's just the nature of these things.

    Less so with Ireland though, as that minority of guys involved are of an even tinier minority. In the UK you might have a couple of thousand petrolheads wanting an EK9 R/Skyline/E30 M3 and with the readies to hand over(in the US more like tens of thousands), here in Ireland you might have a couple of dozen and half of them likely already have something similar in a shed somewhere. Those guys selling 90's JDM stuff like the Skyline or the Civic are on a hiding to nothing especially at those prices. I'd reckon that Civic is actually 'worth' about 14-15k tops in the Irish market. That is you'd actually sell it at that, but even then your phone wouldn't be lighting up. Fashion comes into it too. 20 years ago with any trick JDM stuff you'd be lucky to be able to catch your breath before your phone would go nuts with calls and offers of cash. Since then the scene has moved on to RWD and German(mostly). And that's before we get to cheaper credit to buy new. So the market for the Jap stuff is older guys nostalgia for the most part and a current bubble in the market, much of it driven by the US and youtube. I've noticed quite the number of recent JDM imports showing up on donedeal at strong money. Guys thinking 'values' and what sells in the US or UK or Japan is what will sell here. Rude awakening time I reckon.

    It's the same old story; worth is what somebody is willing to pay for something, but if your phone isn't ringing you've got the price and your market wrong.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,588 ✭✭✭Titzon Toast




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,350 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Maybe the covid anti vaxxer types were right. There's something in the vaccines that causes madness... 😂

    I seem to remember that particular car has been here before and for sale for ages.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭passatman86


    He had that silver ej civic, a wine ej civic and a surf board for sale on the one add i linked last year for something like €12k.

    I do like a ej, ek civic but not at them prices for a 1.4



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,730 ✭✭✭✭CianRyan


    I know a rising tide floats all boats but that yoke is so full of holes that's it's not going anywhere.



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