18 to 25 year olds - Must carry ID

Kone · 31-10-2003 04:24PM #1

Hi all,

Apologies if this is in the wrong section.

I was in my local last night (where I have been drinking for the last 4 years) and I was asked for ID. Of course I was a little taken back. I asked the barman (who I know quite well and vice versa) what the story was and I was told that law now states that all 18 to 25 yo's in pubs or bars must carry some form of ID and if you are caught in a pub without ID you can get an on the spot fine.

This all sounds a little 1984 to me!

Was he talking through his arse or is this a real law?

/Kone

cartman · 31-10-2003 04:27PM

it is true,
It came in about 3weeks ago,

pretty sad really,

Kone · 31-10-2003 04:29PM

Originally posted by Kone
Hi all,

Apologies if this is in the wrong section.

I was in my local last night (where I have been drinking for the last 4 years) and I was asked for ID. Of course I was a little taken back. I asked the barman (who I know quite well and vice versa) what the story was and I was told that law now states that all 18 to 25 yo's in pubs or bars must carry some form of ID and if you are caught in a pub without ID you can get an on the spot fine.

This all sounds a little 1984 to me!

Was he talking through his arse or is this a real law?

/Kone

So the Gardai now have the power to fine use for not carrying ID? Man that is scarey, the sooner the better I get out of this country!

Mayshine · 31-10-2003 04:30PM

Just tell him you are 26 and therefore do not need to carry ID. I know I would

ToxicPaddy · 31-10-2003 04:40PM

Yeah, how do you prove you're older than 25?
Cause if you are then youre not required to carry ID?

This could get confusing...

Brings back the old arguements for National Identity Cards for
everyone... :rolleyes:

Kone · 31-10-2003 04:48PM

Originally posted by ToxicPaddy
Yeah, how do you prove you're older than 25?
Cause if you are then youre not required to carry ID?

This could get confusing...

Exactly!

lodgepole · 31-10-2003 05:28PM

I tried to buy a few cans from Superquinn a while back and was told the same thing. Garda ID, passport or Driver's License. Of them I only have a passport and i'll be damned if I take that out with me everytime I want a few beers.

At 22, I shouldn't have to put up with that kind of nonsense.

When it happened I asked the woman if she thought I was seventeen years of age and though she looked embarassed because of how completely wrong she was, she stuck to her guns.

K2 · 31-10-2003 05:52PM

I know its possible for some young teenagers to pass for 18 /19, but there can't be any 14yo's would pass for 25. Anybody know why they picked such an old age? 21 would have been enough methinks. Isn't that the age limit in usa?

Snaga · 31-10-2003 06:01PM

In the states youll often be id'd for beer if your grey and balding.

*chuckles at the memory of a friend pointing to his balding head as ID when being carded in the local seven-eleven - he was only 25 - looked a good bit older though*

If you look less than 40 or 45 or something shop owners must insist on seeing a form of identification.

tman · 31-10-2003 06:03PM

is it really that much hassle to get an age card & just carry it around in your wallet?
done that for the last 3 years myself

Sposs · 31-10-2003 06:12PM

Total Bull**** im 23 and there's nothing more embrassing than the barman to shout at you in a crowed pub for your ID.

I blame my lovely soft skin

vac · 31-10-2003 06:15PM

is it really that much hassle to get an age card & just carry it around in your wallet?

Its a pain in the ass when you carry a passport and you're too lazy to go get your garda id :P

amp · 31-10-2003 06:16PM

Being old rockS! (but not too much now, brittle bones y'know)

Tha Gopher · 31-10-2003 07:13PM

Im fairly sure its 18-21 not 18-25 for whom its compulsory.
Anyway McDowell is a ****ing lunatic. He needs sacking and fast.
I doubt most pubs are enforcing this. I mean,how often have you seen the gardai enter a pub?

ixoy · 31-10-2003 07:19PM

It's for 18-21 SO FAR. And here's the appropriate bit from the Intoxicating Liquor Act on the government site

National Age Card
The Gardai (Irish police force) operate the National Age Card scheme. These cards are proof that the cardholder is 18 or over. The card will show the name of the holder, his or her date of birth, a photograph and a security feature, like a hologram. The cards are available from your local Garda station and will cost 6.27 euro. Anyone found guilty of forging or altering the details on an official Age Card can be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding 1,270 euro or to a prison term not exceeding 12 months or to both. Licence holders that allow people between 18-21 years on their premises without appropriate identification can face a fine of 1,500 euro for a first offence and 2,000 euro for any subsequent offences. (Appropriate identification includes a National Age Card, a passport, a driving licence, or a identitiy card issued by an EU member state).

The Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform has recently indicated an intention to introduce new legislation that will extend the requirement for National Age Cards to people up to the age of 25 years. (No date has been fixed when this legislation will come into effect).

So it MAY be up to 25 but not yet.

patch · 31-10-2003 07:21PM

Well, I'm 28 and was asked for id entering a niteclub last weekend. When I protested, the guy said make sure and bring id the next night. :rolleyes:

Shad0r · 31-10-2003 07:46PM

Originally posted by Kone
So the Gardai now have the power to fine use for not carrying ID? Man that is scarey, the sooner the better I get out of this country!

Its not that scarey really. Lots of other countries have the same laws, Canada being one for example. And the Gards afaik would only have the power to fine you for not having an ID if your in a pub. (Isn't it France that you have to carry an ID around with you all the time?) So you have to bring an ID out with you when you go out drinking....not exactly the end of the world.

Originally posted by K2
I know its possible for some young teenagers to pass for 18 /19, but there can't be any 14yo's would pass for 25. Anybody know why they picked such an old age? 21 would have been enough methinks. Isn't that the age limit in usa?

erm K2 I think you've completely missed the point. They havent changed the legal age of drinking, just the age until which a pub must ID you. In other words if they think you look younger than 25 they have to ask you for ID. In the states you cant even get into a bar unless your over 21 to drink.

I would imagine the reason they will try to bring the law in is to try and cut back on underage drinking although all they probably will achieve is to drive it outside to a certain extent.

LegacyUser · 31-10-2003 08:19PM

Originally posted by Lodgepole
I tried to buy a few cans from Superquinn a while back and was told the same thing. Garda ID, passport or Driver's License. Of them I only have a passport and i'll be damned if I take that out with me everytime I want a few beers.

i was refused a few cans at quinsworth, and i had a passport, they wouldn't except it, im a few years older than yourself

Winters · 31-10-2003 08:32PM

Originally posted by bananayoghurt
i was refused a few cans at quinsworth, and i had a passport, they wouldn't except it, im a few years older than yourself

If they refused my passport I would go to the local garda station and get them down to quinnsworth to force quinnsworth to accecpt your passport. You can do that with the GardsIDs if you are refused into a pub or nightclub with one for the no id reason.

Do it. Its fun.

GardaID cards should be free. Would give that incentive to people to get one. I know im too lazy and broke to get one right now :rolleyes:

honru · 31-10-2003 08:56PM

Ah goddammit, I need an ID which says I'm 18. All of you people should count yourself lucky, valid identification is plentiful. Your not in the worst of situations.

But I still agree against this crap.

ShriekingSheet · 31-10-2003 09:18PM

The reality is, before any of this crap came into being any place in town which really didn't want under agers in didnt have any in!

fireworx, cafe en seine, spirit etc.

Im 21 now and am always amused when I see a nervous fresh faced "18" year old some how get served in a little pub in the suburbs but it just doesnt happen in town anymore!

The problem lies where clubs and pubs rely on under agers to do business! we all know them! -in my under age days it was pegs, the vatican, drumms all the dives that no rightminded 18+ person would bother with!

These places have to be sorted out!

not friggin Q bar where everyone is 20+!

Mossy Monk · 31-10-2003 09:30PM

what is the fine if caught with no ID in a pub and what is the criteria for asking for one, that you dont look 18?

the piece from the Intoxicating Liquor Act on the government site as posted above makes no mention of this

Victor · 31-10-2003 10:27PM

Originally posted by Mossy Monk
what is the fine if caught with no ID in a pub and what is the criteria for asking for one, that you dont look 18?

None the law merely empowers the publican to ask for ID if you are under 21. I remember going out with friends (who were in college) to a college night out in Harcourt Street and they asked me for ID ... when I was 26. :rolleyes:

And if you can show you are over the age that the retailer states they apply for drink (which can vary), they must sell, otherwise you can object to them getting their licence renewed.

Blitzkrieger · 31-10-2003 10:29PM

omfg! 25! That's so OTT it's not even funny. I bet this is largely due to wimmen! It's very hard to tell what age a woman is at times.

I always have my driver's license in my pocket, though I rarely get asked for ID. In fact, I don't think I was ever asked for ID before I turned 21. Usually I think the bouncer is just trying to piss me off if he asks for ID. That, or he was trying to see if I was sober enough to get my license out. I can't believe they're going to waste everyone's time with this.

kaimera · 31-10-2003 10:51PM

Originally posted by tman
is it really that much hassle to get an age card & just carry it around in your wallet?
done that for the last 3 years myself

the longer you go w/out getting one. the less chance you have later.
Was told be local gardai that I wont get it and I'm 20

Tha Gopher · 31-10-2003 11:25PM

Originally posted by f®eak_s©enery
Ah goddammit, I need an ID which says I'm 18. All of you people should count yourself lucky, valid identification is plentiful. Your not in the worst of situations.

www.fluxcard.com my friend. Its the site that has given a generation of irish kids a social life in these Orwellian ID demanding times.
It isnt technically illegal,your just supposed to use the cards for novelty purposes rofl.

Some places will only accept official ID,some will let you by with these cards. Ive never applied for a garda ID(Im too paranoid about giving them my details-note lay off the ganja)so I still often use my stundent ID from this place.
Good luck

honru · 31-10-2003 11:59PM

Thanks Tha Gopher, help is really appreciated.
Could someone tell me if music venues (Whelans, The Village etc.) are cool with forms of identification other than an Age Card, Passport or Driver's License. The venues are the main reason why I need to appear older and I'm fed up of having to compromise with the bouncers every time I go to a concert.

Kalina · 01-11-2003 12:45AM

I'm 23 now and I still get hassle on a regular basis. I just carry my passport and it works in most places. I was refused before in Merlins in Waterford because they said they only took the National Age Card. The fine for not carrying ID is a load of bs- just another way for the government to make a few quid!

01-11-2003 01:46AM

I dont see what the fuss is all about...a barman you know "quite well" asked you for id? Why? Sounds to me that he was just being an asshole...I've been out in clubs n pubs a fair bit recently and once you're in the place I never see anyone getting asked for id.

Oh and if you're 22 and superquinn wouldn't serve you then it sounds as though the people behind the counter were being assholes too. I'm 18 and I don't even get id'd in offos any more. You should have asked for the manager at least.

BTW f®eak_s©enery, fluxcards are shíte. Pure shíte...and are so fake that you'll be doing well to get in anywhere. Anyone with half a brain can make a decent fake drivers license at this stage (and a nice profit with 5th and 6th years!), and if thats too hard then I'm sure there'll be at least one person in your school that can make them or knows sumone else who does. If you're really lucky you can get a fake garda age card, which a couple of people I know who are over-18 are getting cause they're ready in 2 weeks and the guy charges less than the gardai!

Peace · 01-11-2003 01:59AM

I dunno what the big deal is....so you carry ID. Its a reasonable request if it helps to stop 16 year olds getting pissed....

I carry my drivers licence around everywhere even when i'm not driving or on the beer.

Anyway, if you're over age then be able to prove it. It will give em one less reason to say "not tonight lads" at the door.

StickyMcGinty · 01-11-2003 02:37AM

whats the craic with clubs being able to set an over 21's limit. Down Under on Stephens Green refused me, and said over 21's only, and i hadn't even shown him my id!! Where is the law on this over 21's crap?

It was the first time i was refused from anywhere!!!

18 to 25 year olds - Must carry ID

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