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Australian Open 2022

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  • Posts: 18,962 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    All those so confident about Nadal should rush to the bookies then to put their money where their mouth is!

    Nadal available at 3/1 for the title

    Medvedev is 4/5 and hasn't even made the semis yet

    (he disposed of FAA 6-4 6-0 earlier this month in Australia but I suspect FAA might hope to do a bit better here in the 1/4 final)

    Shapo couldn't follow up yet again - fun to watch when on song with his backhand but at nearly 23 with only a single 250 title to his name and with Alcaraz still 18 it's hard to argue against the ideal that Alcaraz has a far bigger likelihood of a more impressive career

    His First Serve Percentage was too low at under 60% and his ratio of winners to errors was about 1 (53 - 51) where for Nadal it was over 1.4 (41 - 28)

    To beat Nadal you need to have the capability to be consistent in the rallies (like Medvedev) and also a consistent (and bonus if also damaging) serve is helpful

    For reference in that in-the-end tough 4-set match with 2 breakers against Cressy Medvedev had an astounding 6 to 1 winners vs errors (60 - 11)



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,794 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    Would be fascinating to see Nadal win it and stand alone with 21. I think most people just assumed Djokovic would get there first and extend an insurmountable lead, I doubt many thought Nadal could do it first. Still a tall order at his age and looking at who could be left to play, but if he reaches the final I think he'll win it.

    If he doesn't win here though we could be in for quite a RG, assuming Djokovic plays. Imagine a final between the two of them both fighting for #21 and a place in history, would be quite the storyline.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,304 ✭✭✭waynescales1


    Is the reason there's so much nonsense being talked in this thread that simple?


    Nadal getting to 20 is probably the best achievement of all 3 of them so far. Nadal has always had a prime Federer or Djokovic (or both) to deal with. Look at the duds who were in the top 10 early in Federer's career. He gobbled up 5 or 6 slams when there was no one to challenge him. Djokovic got 20 with Federer more or less over the hill for a significant period also.



  • Posts: 18,962 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    there's even a thread for that.

    haven's seen any reference to any big 3 Overall Record here until the other Nadal supporter brought up Federer

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2057836001/federer-v-nadal-v-djokovic-etc-mod-note-1st-post/p17



  • Posts: 18,962 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I do think that it's really time that Nadal concedes that the Head-To-Head record vs his hair is never going to turn back in his favour

    Pretty sure that he's tried a few transplant efforts but they just aren't working

    Shave it and ditch the headband ffs

    Although the headband is a vital part of his OCD 26 move wipe, scratch and pull routine for every point so there is that...

    Shapo called out the stuff that Nadal opponents have had to put up with for many years again to the umpire and in the presser (starts off about breaks and then goes on to talk about the delay on EVERY point in the game)





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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,794 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    Didn't see the match but I thought Nadal had generally got a lot better at all the time wasting antics. Or at the very least umpires were calling him out on it more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,478 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    Just as well i wasn't hung up on seeing the Nadal/Shapo match - Sky/Eurosport failed to record any of the three programmes I'd set, hoping to cover it all 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 169 ✭✭poppy37


    I’m not a Federer fan boy but I would like a new winner of the men’s singles. I was glad to see Shapavolov call out Nadal’s slowness between points and the length of the break between sets four and five, we have heard plenty of talk about the new bathroom break rules but little follow up on them. This week has already seen Krejcikova go over time because her necklace broke apparently. There was some suggestion today though that Nadal had an injury assessment so maybe that accounts for it. Nadal’s tone in his press conference was very patronising towards Shapavolov though.

    I too would prefer to see Cornet beat Collins, Cornet is a monumental drama queen but entertaining with it, Collins is just unlikeable full stop. Cornet also deserves credit for being the first to speak out about Peng Shuai. Collins has already been a semi finalist here though so she probably has a slight edge.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,410 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    Its about time Nadal is getting called out on the time wasting. Slow down the server's game is ridiculous, umpires should warn him early and keep penalising him for it. Bad enough he takes over the time on his serve. How he gets sportsmanship awards with that carry on is beyond me.



  • Posts: 18,962 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The dastardly doubles duo providing some unexpected success and entertainment for the locals to get behind in a lacklustre enough tournament so far



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Don't agree with your sentiment with regards Shapovalev. Alot of the youngsters are built up and flatter to deceive, but I think he's the real deal, most others aren't, just needs to really break through.

    He's like a young Roddick in terms of power, but has real variety, not a one trick pony.

    Most young players are now taller, bullied their way to the top with one or two weapons, but as we see are quite limited. Shapo is average height, got here off the back of an all round game. Once he puts it all together, could see him handing out a few tankings to the likes of Medvedev et all



  • Posts: 18,962 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    would have to very much disagree there vis-a-vis Shapo and Roddick comparisons

    Roddick as player was 2 stone heavier than Shapo (which is a very significant amount in tennis) and had a way bigger serve

    Shapo is much more mobile around the court as a result

    Also Roddick famously had one of the worst backhands ever seen on a top 5 ATP player and with Shapo it's his most famous and effective shot

    The odds are against Shapo being a multiple-slam winner or even a single slam winner as if you can only manage to win one 250 level tournament and now in your 6th year on tour the odds are against it

    It's not the WTA - it's hard to win a slam on the ATP and you have to show form in advance

    Even Nadal who won a slam very very early in his career had won six ATP titles before his first French Open!

    There is a big difference between making a quarter final or even a semi-final and winning it and that extra level of consistency is a big jump

    Tin Henman made 6 Grand Slam semi-finals in his career and was world no.4 but never really came close to getting a slam



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    When I make the Roddick comparison, it's in terms of the forehand, and the power. I did say otherwise Roddick was a one trick pony by contrast. This guy carriers even more power overall in his game tbh, never really seen anyone else like it

    Shapovalev is still young. But the difference between him and the other young players is that I think there's still huge room for improvement, whereas with the others not so much.

    Your quite hung up on his one win, but maybe once he gets over the line with a real breakthrough he'll go from strength to strength. It's not him alone from the young guys who have underachieved due to mental weakness. He is steadily improving.

    I'd be surprised if he wasn't a multiple slam champion, very.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,478 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    I too would be delighted to see someone new break the stranglehold the big 3 have had on titles for years and years (and yes, I'm sure there has been the odd exception over the years, before someone leaps in with stats!).

    I'm around since the Borg/ Connors/McEnroe days, but even back then they didn't seem to dominate the way these 3 have.

    It's all a bit boring and predictable (if wildly impressive).

    I'm pinning my hopes on Berrettini, I'd love to see him finally get a big win under his belt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,611 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Hoping Nadal does not win this title.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,611 ✭✭✭✭walshb




  • Posts: 18,962 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    they are just very different players.

    have never heard anyone compare them ever before in any context.

    obviously they also play forehands on different sides and Roddick is two inches taller at 6 foot 2 (Shapo is barely above 6 feet if even in reality according to real reports) aside from the other afore mentioned differences of weight, mobility, quality of backhand and serve.

    and in reference to winning tournaments if you don't have a record over over 5 years of winning in even ATP 250 events with a field of only 28 players which might not have even 1 top ten player in the field in total (and that's a player ranked 8 to 10 that you might not even have to face) how can you expect to win a Grand Slam where you're going to have to beat 3 or more top 10 players along the way in a field of 128 players with more rounds to play, including the best in the world*?

    it's just very very unlikely because it's simple logic

    He only beat one Top 10 player in the whole of 2021 and that was the brief period when Bautista Agut was ranked 10 (a solid player, not a proper Top 10)

    That was his firth year on the ATP tour

    https://www.atptour.com/en/players/denis-shapovalov/su55/player-activity?year=2021

    So why would he out of nowhere beat 3 or more better players in the one tournament than the 1 player that was the best that he was able to beat in an entire year?

    That trajectory is just not being shown.

    *unless a government kicks out the actual best in the world of course!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    The trajectory is showing. He's going further in slams than he was. Also his peer group were generally a year or two older in tournaments, that's starting to level out now.

    In Wimbledon and this tournament, he outplayed two 20 time grand slam winners. Didn't have the nerve or experience to see either out when the pressure came, but that could come. He showed more resilience under pressure against Nadal than Djokovic so possibly improving mentally.

    Most of his peer group are tall, and are where they are on that basis alone. If Medvedev or Zverev were smaller they would be hammered if relying on technical play. Shapovalev can go head to head with Djokovic and Nadal, meet them on their terms in rallies, and trade. Infact only for inexperience and nerve, dictated play to both.

    You generally seem to have an issue for any player being praised if it's not Federer, always a criticism. I don't remember his game being all that consistently great before 23. I know who my money would be on if a 21/22 year old Federer met Shapovalev. Federer would be tanked imo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Also the only thing I'm comparing Roddick and Shapovalev on is they both have/had a powerful game



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  • Posts: 18,962 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    that makes even less sense then really as that is a trait that many players have in common -

    it's odd to compare 2 players on just one aspect when pretty much all other aspects are different.

    I'm not a Federer fan in the slightest - don't know where you got that

    What actually happened yesterday is that Nadal was cruising to the win when the heat and some sickness (nearly at the point of puking on the court and had to take stomach tablets) really got to him and his standard collapsed in sets 3 and 4. He was loping around the court

    Shapo upped his game yes which was pretty dire in the first two sets where it looked like the occasion got to him ( and was instead doing stupid things like saying that all umpires were corrupt to the umpires face which is just dumb and is also completely losing focus on the task at hand) and he couldn't perform as a result but it was more about Nadal being basically ill in sets 3 and 4.

    But actually Shapo failed mentally in the end as he really should have closed out the match against at that point the sub-par Nadal and having the momentum but couldn't, blowing break points that he had on Nadal's serve. Finally, whatever about smashing a racquet - doing it after you've lost match point is NOT the time to do it.

    So definitely not improving mentally

    He actually blew an excellent chance to get to the semi-finals but failed precisely by losing it mentally which is the very sort of trait that is going to stop Grand Slam success

    ‘Destroyed’ Rafael Nadal staves off sickness as Denis Shapovalov explodes after match point

    “I was completely destroyed after that very warm day. I didn’t practice for it,” Nadal said.

    “I started to feel not very well in my stomach so I just asked if they can do something.

    “Everything was alright on my body but I took some tablets to try and improve the stomach problem I had.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,375 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    Barbara Schett's replacement in the Eurosport studio is absolutely brutal, actually makes me wish I was watching Catherine Whitaker before a Cam Norrie match.



  • Posts: 18,962 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    For those who didn't know who was going to beat Sinner, now they surely know as that was a cakewalk in the end in a match that Sinner was favourite going in.

    Utterly clinical from Tsits, 4 break points converted out of 4 created. That's really very impressive stuff.

    Sinner didn't have a single break point chance in the match

    Done and dusted in under two hours.

    He can chill and rest up for the semi.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    Nothing in this wide earthly world would make me wish I was watching Catherine Whitaker.



  • Posts: 18,962 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    All happening in the Medved - FAA match

    A break (for FAA) and an immediate break-back at the end of the first set and it's into the tie-break

    Medvedev hits 2 double faults in the breaker and can't recover and FAA takes it 7-4

    Match on here. Medved a bit off at the moment for sure.

    Looks like FAA has taken serious exception to the final-set bagel that Medved put on him a couple of weeks ago



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  • Posts: 18,962 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There are one or two particular Aussie punters shouting for FAA vocally in-between every point, particularly on the Medvedev serve and it's really annoying him.

    Not sure at all if they are bona fide FAA fans really with the "funny" ways they are coming up with saying "Felix"

    Looks like a couple of the "Low IQ" Kyrgios gang are here on a mission to get to Medvedev for his put-downs and it's working.

    They are pretty annoying to be fair.

    Of all the annoying gobshites around the world, the Aussie gobshites are perhaps the best at being the most annoying!

    Medvedev is off his game and FAA has a break up

    Medvedev is in big trouble



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,304 ✭✭✭waynescales1


    FAA has one foot in the next round. I thought Medvedev had this tournament in the bag?



  • Posts: 18,962 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    FAA is playing very well (serving is good and returning) and Medvedev on the other hand since the tie-break has been off

    FAA is a very good player but Medvedev thus far always had his measure easily enough

    Those arses in the crowd have timed their mocking support / jibes at Medvedev and got to him to go on top of his less than 100% play

    Then very quickly with a break at the start of the second set that held he's two sets down.

    Long road back.

    Medvedev was heavy favourite here as he crushed FAA in a best of three match less than 3 weeks ago.

    Apparently Medvedev has only come back once from 2 sets down



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,478 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    I'm presuming that's the dark-haired french girl? She's awful, very hard to listen to.

    And was actually practically dribbling when doing a post-match interview with Nadal a few rounds ago.

    That Cube stuff is pretty cringe-making overall.

    In other news, they really need to move the mikes away from the ballboys (generic) or move the ballboys away from the mikes - the panting is practically pornographic!! 🤣



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