This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

NIMAN · 10-12-2021 07:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118298974#Comment_118298974

I have been keeping an eye on them, possibly considering a change but the prices are just daft at present.

Not just limited to Ioniqs, most cars are very highly priced.

unkel · 10-12-2021 08:07PM

Cheapest one is a 5 year old high miler for €17k. That is a lot. This time last year it would have struggled to fetch €16k (from a dealer)

That said, everything is expensive. Cheapest (non-4 seat) Tesla Model S is near enough €40k, a year ago it wouldn't have been an awful lot over €30k

Had a quick look and the prices in the UK for Ioniqs and the cheapest one over there is £15k, so no point at all importing one, even if there wasn't any VAT!

User1998 · 17-12-2021 11:47PM

202 Tesla model 3 for €46.5k. Private sale so should be easily gotten for €45k or so

Might not be a bargain but its the cheapest one out there and I’m guessing the wait times for a new one are quite long?

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/219581510359353/

slave1 · 18-12-2021 12:45PM

Good nick but I'd prefer the new 60kWh MIC, getting great efficiency reviews

unkel · 24-01-2022 09:12PM

Shameless plug of my own car. I think it's a bargain and this thread could do with some new posts anyway 😃

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/tesla-model-s-p85/30233324

the_amazing_raisin · 25-01-2022 09:07AM

I seriously hope you're upgrading to a Plaid plus 😁

slave1 · 25-01-2022 09:40AM

If he does, he will be the only person on the planet with one, Tesla cancelled it

unkel · 25-01-2022 10:45AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118529327#Comment_118529327

You must mistake me for an affluent person. I'd like a champagne lifestyle, unfortunately I only have a beer income 😂

Black_Knight · 25-01-2022 11:12AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118529770#Comment_118529770

If you keep flipping Model Ss like you're doing with this one it's a step towards the champagne lifestyle.

Red Silurian · 25-01-2022 12:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118528004#Comment_118528004

€37,500 for an 8 year old car... Bargain?

Red Silurian · 25-01-2022 12:21PM

Irelands cheapest electric car today

€4850 for a 9 year old Fluence

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/renault-fluence-fully-electric/29989985

slave1 · 25-01-2022 12:42PM

That car is worth no more than €2.5k-€3k, not showing much market knowledge if you question a Performance Model S in the €30's and then post that

ELM327 · 25-01-2022 12:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118530187#Comment_118530187

Typical Irish notions.

You can buy a number plate for 10 quid in Halfords. This car is absolutely worth mid 30's. It's a performance tesla ffs not a ford focus (or a renault EV with no fast charging!!)

Old diesel · 25-01-2022 12:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118530187#Comment_118530187

Its a bargain in the context of the car it is....

1) an expensive large car when new - and still looks every bit the super expensive car now.

2) high performance machine.

3) fashionable brand

4) if you want a car to match the iconic status of this one combined with modern safety and usability - you will pay more with no guarantee of getting a better car.

5) its had important work done to it like a replacement battery pack from Tesla.

6) for anyone in the know - this car could drive on for years if minded well.

I just can't live with the sheer size of the thing myself. Otherwise I'd be wondering about buying it myself

kanuseeme · 25-01-2022 01:10PM

He said cheapest car today for sale in Ireland

GLWS Unkel,

I was going to leave it at that, but I honestly think there is better value out there,(other makes newer etc.) if you want a Tesla then that is the price. Not for me.

Red Silurian · 25-01-2022 01:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118530481#Comment_118530481

Exactly

Red Silurian · 25-01-2022 01:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118530357#Comment_118530357

Brand new model S €90k

Brand new Renault Fluence €40k

Fall in price on Model S after 8 years - 66% - Same price as brand new leaf

Fall in price on Fluence after 9 years 87.5% - Cheaper than 9 year old leaf

Not sure what you're seeing wrong here

unkel · 25-01-2022 01:18PM

I said cheapest Tesla for sale in Ireland. Which it is, by several thousand EUR. But I edited that out yesterday, in case it offended anyone.

BTW that Fluence has a battery lease, so you have to pay Renault every month, I think it is something like €89. Great cars though, I can sell you a mint low mileage one that is battery owned for a good price if you are interested...

DrPhilG · 25-01-2022 03:08PM

It's a free country for feck sake. Don't want his Tesla, don't buy it.

Fact is that its a reasonable price given the car and the market. If he was trying to flog the Fluence for €37k then I'd understand the outrage.

the_amazing_raisin · 25-01-2022 10:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118530357#Comment_118530357

Kinda shows how second hand prices are going these days

Alkers · 25-01-2022 11:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118530512#Comment_118530512

I'd actually be interested in your fluence possibly to tide us over until the ampera is fixed (crosses fingers).

What range do you get from it - 22kWh battery right?

sk8board · 26-01-2022 09:24AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118530505#Comment_118530505

That tesla was FAAAAR more than €90k when it was new! I know someone who got one back in 2014 and paid about €130k if memory serves, and awkward/expensive to ship at the time too.

its good value now in this market imho, but testament to the screwing that early EV adopters took on buying them new.

unkel · 26-01-2022 09:50AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118533483#Comment_118533483

Hey man, I was only really posting in jest. As a reply to a poster who seemed pretty ignorant about EVs in general and their second hand values in particular. And I happen to have a Fluence Z.E. as our second car 😁

The car is not really for sale. But anything I have is in principle always for sale, so if you are serious, PM me. The Fluence Z.E. really is a local car only though, perfect for many people as a second car. But it can not fast charge (so driving it from Dublin to Cork will take several days 😂). Range in summer is about 80km, in winter about 60km. And yes underneath it is pretty much just a Nissan Leaf with the same 24kWh battery (22kWh usable - when it was new)

Casati · 26-01-2022 10:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118533980#Comment_118533980

Thats some depreciation - i.e. close to 100k in less than 8 years!! Looking at prices online now it would cost €60k for any 2017.

I honestly think versus the price of anything interesting in this crazy market - i.e. petrol V8 or V6's premium cars like S-Class or even A8's, and especially when you take into account the tax and fuel costs of those cars, then the Tesla looks good value in fairness. Its a car with running costs that would be rounding error compared to running an S8 or a 760il.

It is interesting that even 10 year after its launch, I don't think anything can touch the acceleration of that P85 that doesn't cost 80k new.

unkel · 26-01-2022 11:32AM

@casati - the Tesla Model 3 Performance is considerably quicker and I think it still costs a good bit less than €80k. Underrated, superb car that is when using track mode. It kinda made my Porsche irrelevant and a thing of the past that looks good and sounds nice and drives well, has a lot of history and pedigree, but that's about it. It can no longer compete. Same goes for any other performance ICE car. They're part of our past. Not our future.

Alkers · 26-01-2022 02:37PM

Ah no worries, I was only interested if you were intending to shift it on at a decent price anyways!

Aware of the lack of fast charging alright but is that range not pretty terrible from 22kWh? We get 40km in winter and 60km in summer from 10.5kWh usable on the ampera (when it works), obviously you'd be a lot more careful approaching the end of battery capacity on the fluence!!

unkel · 26-01-2022 03:45PM

These early Leaf / Fluence batteries suffer pretty bad degradation. But my figures are fairly conservative too. The car is 10 years old, with just 30k miles on it and I guess I could get about 100km out of it in summer with a light foot. Not that I ever need anywhere near that from it. It really is just a local car for us, it barely ever gets used, just the odd time that the Tesla is in use and we need a second car at the same time.

I bought it for my daughters to learn to drive in. It's nice and slow. For an EV 😁

slave1 · 30-01-2022 04:27PM

Not the worst price ever, €65k for a warrantied 2018 100D which has MCU2 upgrade

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/tesla-model-s-100d-panoramic-roof/30234121

ELM327 · 31-01-2022 08:59AM

That's a well specced car. Has air suspension, MCU and at least EAP if not FSD.

the_amazing_raisin · 01-02-2022 12:12PM

Electric motoring for €3k

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mitsubishi-miev-full-electric-car-nct-07-22/30276554

I think this is one for the EV collectors garage

This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

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