Schools and Covid 19 (part 5) Mod warnings in OP

Corby Trouser Press · 21-01-2022 9:59pm

Covid never really effected kids.

Omicron doesn’t really effect anyone.

Close the windows, take off the masks, stop isolating and get on with it!

spaceHopper · 24-01-2022 7:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118514570#Comment_118514570

My son is home sick, second ear infection i a month, sitting is cold drafty class rooms isn't helping in anyway.

zefirki · 24-01-2022 11:57pm

7 kids out of 21 in my sons class tested positive for covid over the weekend(junior infants).my son was back to school today after he had covid

MilkyToast · 25-01-2022 4:53am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118528457#Comment_118528457

One of mine has 9/20 out in their class since the beginning of last week. It'll go around a bit, like any winter virus.

shesty · 25-01-2022 3:09pm

My eldest was a Junior Infant in 2019. November and December of 2019, the class were wiped out with virus after virus - teacher moved the school play date 3 times as so many were out and they were down to single digits of kids that were in several times. The teacher herself was very unwell the week before the holidays. Bear in mind this was a time before the concept of 10 days of isolation occurred, so those numbers of kids were out because they were physically too unwell to go to school. There might be 12 or 15 out in your child's class, but I doubt all 12 or 15 are so unwell that they can't attend school - some will be at home because siblings have it, and some will be at home because they are still in the 10 day period - and then some will be at home because they are sick with something else.

It is doing the rounds and as long as the kids aren't too sick, that is the important thing.

JDD · 25-01-2022 3:44pm

It seems to be calming down in our school after carnage before christmas and in the first two weeks of Jan. Only one out in my younger daughter's first class yesterday, and three out in my older one's fourth class. Less out sick than there would be in a normal January. That said, they are still uploading work to seesaw for the kids at home, so there must be more out in the other classes, but I'll know that it has all calmed down once they stop uploading the home-schoolers work.

M007 · 25-01-2022 8:12pm

Quick Q and sorry if it’s been answered previously.

what do we do in this situation when child tested positive last Sunday week and is now out side the period of isolation. We were unable to keep them isolated in their room alone. So at weekend my OH tested positive. My understanding is he’s now a close contact oh hers and should stay at home. Others tell me no he can go back to now as symptom free. I can’t see answer on Hse Covid advices - anyone know. ?

iamwhoiam · 25-01-2022 9:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118532371#Comment_118532371

Well technically speaking the child has recovered from Covid so is not obliged to isolate if a close contact

https://us.v-cdn.net/6034073/uploads/4EPYQ6GDRQHM/fi7pesvxwa8t2fb.jpeg

shesty · 25-01-2022 9:23pm

He can go back, as I understand it too.

zefirki · 25-01-2022 9:36pm

I had same

One child,few days later another one.I asked contact tracer when she called for 2nd child close contacts.She said first child can go back after isolation period finishes,doesnt matter second child cought covid few days later

iamwhoiam · 25-01-2022 9:56pm

If your child has recovered from COVID-19 since 1 December 2021

Testing

Your child does not need to be tested if they do not have symptoms.

Restricted movements

Your child does not need to restrict their movements (stay at home) if they do not have symptoms. They can attend school and other activities as normal.

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/covid19/contact-tracing/if-your-child-is-a-close-contact/#what-to-do-if-your-child-is-a-close-contact

M007 · 25-01-2022 11:02pm

Thanks - confused as I thought they would fall within the rules of being close contacts even though they are through it themselves already. Don’t want them to go back into school and pass on anything from home.

Cluedo Monopoly · 26-01-2022 1:54pm

It's nearly better for kids to get Omicron at this stage. One you recover and complete isolation period, you don't have to worry about being a close contact and isolating or restricting movements again.

Otherwise you could miss a lot more school by being a close contact every 2nd week.

DSN · 27-01-2022 11:58pm

Agree cluedo. The 5 yr old has it now one day tired / temp & right as rain after. We just did 2 antigens came straight up positive & it's running through the class. Didn't bother with PCR. What's the story re getting a recovery cert for her or any of us if we get it off her (going to US at Easter might save her having to do an antigen if that still a thing!) .

The HorsesMouth · 28-01-2022 9:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118543211#Comment_118543211

You need a confirmation pcr to get the recovery cert. Antigens not accepted.

Otherwise you'll have to get child tested before you go to the US. Well that's the rule atm anyways.

FunkSoulSista · 31-01-2022 8:45pm

Can someone please clarify as I'm finding different things online, 5yo symptoms on 23rd so today is day 8, can he go back to school tomorrow even though still faint positive antigen? Rang HSE, they said yes but wear a mask?! My 8yo has remained negative throughout but from what I read he has to stay home 14 days?

Vaccinated30 · 31-01-2022 9:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118561804#Comment_118561804

Only if aged over 9 they should wear a mask. HSE phone operatives haven't a clue what's goi'g on. Different information every call.

iamwhoiam · 31-01-2022 10:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118561804#Comment_118561804

shesty · 31-01-2022 10:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118561804#Comment_118561804

Yeah, negative child stays home for 14 days, positive returns.....10 days for the positive return, last time I checked but that could obviously have changed.

Also what they say on the phone can vary....

iamwhoiam · 31-01-2022 10:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118562316#Comment_118562316

Why 14 days? It says in the above graphic household close contact age 0-12 restrict for 7 days ?

This is from the HSE site

Age 4 to 12 and a household close contact

Here's what you need to do if your child is aged between 4 and 12 years old and a household close contact.

There is separate advice if your child has recovered from COVID-19 after getting a positive test anytime since 1 December 2021.

Testing

Your child needs to do 3 antigen tests over 7 days.

They should do the:

first test as soon as possible
second test 3 days after their first test
third test on the 7th day of their restricted movements period

cornflake1 · 31-01-2022 11:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118561804#Comment_118561804

For the positive child it's 7 days isolation and then 3 days avoiding crowded spaces. I found the HSPC guidelines really clear on this. My 3 year old and 5 year old got Covid and both the playschool and primary school confirmed they had to stay out 10 days. Especially with such small children. Maybe an older child can wear a mask and go to school though. The school should be able to confirm for you.

On exiting self-isolation after 7 full days, cases should be advised to follow the below advice, especially during day 8, day 9 and day 10:

o limit close contact with other people outside their household, especially in crowded, enclosed or poorly ventilated spaces

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/guidance/newupdatedguidance/

spaceHopper · 01-02-2022 1:11pm

So the schools are a safe, 50 cases in my kids primary school in the last week. That's about 10% of the school, 13 in my kids class so far, including my two (I have twins). Their teacher was off in November for two weeks, we weren't told but it was probably Delta, hope she doesn't get it again. For kicks and giggles there is another dose doing the rounds my son has it last week so that's two weeks off school for him.

CruelSummer · 02-02-2022 8:43am

There will be disruption with Omicron doing the rounds as it works itself through the population. I’m so glad they opened the schools and got people into education rather than shut everything down. Yes children will miss time due to getting it or close contacts, that’s infinitely better than schools closing for weeks / months on end with no reopening in sight & their education and well being taking another massive blow.

yellow hen · 02-02-2022 9:55am

Great Post and alot of parents would gladly like to see this instead of the mish mash that is the hse site.

Just one addition to your post... if the unvaccinated sibling of a positive case does not get covid they must stay home for 14 days (assuming the positive case could not self isolate). This is not clear on the hse site and I'm annoyed that lots of parents are sending children back to school too soon.

yellow hen · 02-02-2022 9:59am

Sorry I missed this. That info graphic is incorrect. The hse (unfortunately not clearly) state that the negative child must take 3 antigen tests over a 7 day period and turn repeat that for a second week. This is only for children who are a close contact with a household member who cannot self isolate.

OrlaFS2017 · 02-02-2022 11:03am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118562791#Comment_118562791

This is the case if the positive case can isolate. It says then unvaccinated persons can stop restricting movements 7 days after last contact.

if the house member cannot isolate then it’s 14 days

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/covid19/restricted-movements/caring-for-people-who-cant-self-isolate/#your-situation

political analyst · 02-02-2022 5:30pm

Holohan thinks the use of face-masks should continue in schools.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/dr-tony-holohan-to-urge-ongoing-use-of-face-masks-in-schools-41302870.html

But respiratory viruses become less likely to cause serious harm every time they mutate. Furthermore, children who have cystic fibrosis or other serious underlying conditions probably still have to be home-schooled anyway. So why does Holohan think it's necessary to continue the mask rule in schools after the end of February?

is_that_so · 02-02-2022 5:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118571660#Comment_118571660

It doesn't say anywhere in that the article that he says we should keep them beyond February 28th.

political analyst · 02-02-2022 5:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118571756#Comment_118571756

But it probably is his implicit point.

CruelSummer · 04-02-2022 10:16pm

The masks should be off the children. Ridiculous they’re trying to coerce parents into putting their children forward for the vaccine using masks as the weapon to do so.

Nearly all children had Omicron at Christmas or will have had it shortly, and therefore immunity.
Vaccine benefit v risk ratio is not in favour of the vaccine for children. It’s currently running at 1 in every 2,200 children aged 5-11 with reported side effects after 88,000 doses given according to HPRA. The doctors claim it will prevent the rare inflammatory condition which they use a figure of 1 in 3,000 for. This article gives the figures in which the headline also includes the 12+ age group. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/one-in-2-500-children-with-vaccine-reports-suspected-side-effect-1.4781873
The vaccine is for the Wuhan strain of Covid which isn’t the current strain in circulation.
It doesn’t prevent transmission or infection.
Teaching and learning is severely impacted with masks on younger children.

josip · 04-02-2022 11:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118583535#Comment_118583535

Just on point 1, in our children's school, not more than half of the children in each of our children's classes have had Covid over the past 2 years, and some of those would have been Delta and before. Where are you getting 'nearly all' for Omicron from?

CruelSummer · 04-02-2022 11:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118584378#Comment_118584378

Christmas outbreaks in the community. Don’t forget many children are asymptomatic also.

tscul32 · 05-02-2022 9:34am

I'd agree that many children have probably had it without anyone knowing. The only reason we tested our 9yo (no symptoms) was because his dad got it despite only having left the house in the previous week to walk the dog alone as he works from home. So we figured it came from school. He was +ve too and when he went back to school found out that one of his schoolfriends had it the week before.

TheDriver · 05-02-2022 2:43pm

Public servant covid leave to mind your possibly sick covid child has gone so unless your child is actually sick, I don't see parents who work in public service taking unpaid 2 weeks to sit at home and mind their assymptomatic child. Schools must be full of covid pos cases.

Sammy2012 · 05-02-2022 3:40pm

Both myself and my husband got covid at the beginning of January and our 2 (unvaccinated) primary aged kids didn't catch it from us inspite of us not isolating from them. For all we know they could have had it before.

I really hope mask wearing is ended in schools at the end of the month. I can go out and spend the night on close contact with hundreds of strangers in the pub buy kids still have to wear masks in schools. It just doesn't make sense anymore.

DSN · 06-02-2022 3:25pm

Or worse you "supposed" to leave any child up to age 15 at home for 7 days if a household contact even when not a thing wrong with them. Even the ones that went & got vaccinated it's completely ridiculous.

When will they get rid of this restriction on kids?

TheDriver · 06-02-2022 4:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118590573#Comment_118590573

It seems many are ignoring it now.

FishOnABike · 07-02-2022 11:54am

@political analyst

But respiratory viruses become less likely to cause serious harm every time they mutate.

Mutations are random. Some will produce an organism thatis more successful, some will produce an organism that is less successful. The more successful will prevail over time. Whether that mutation is more or less likely to case serious harm is random.

RocketRaccoon · 07-02-2022 1:01pm

My daughter tested positive last Thursday, we only tested her as a child in her class was positive and then a family member was also positive. She hasn't had a single symptom.

spaceHopper · 08-02-2022 11:20am

I've twins both in the same class, back to school today after covid. My son was sick my daughter had no symptoms. Out of 28 in the class 7 were in this day last week, the rest out sick with a virus doing the rounds, worse than covid. Or they had covid. I know of 14 in their class.

Pussyhands · 09-02-2022 12:35pm

It's fascinating how the news cycle changes.

The talk of teacher shortages due to covid absences has disappeared. Not a peep of it now. All about inflation at the moment, even housing has taken a back seat.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 10-02-2022 12:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118604828#Comment_118604828

Students being absent made a bit of Claire Byrne yesterday alright. As bad now as it has been at any point over last 2 years

Teacher2020 · 10-02-2022 2:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118586520#Comment_118586520

In fairness, it is not a direct comparison. Socialising in a pub or club is a choice. Only people who are not worried about COVID will do it and it optional whether you go or not. School is essential and some children there may be vulnerable if they catch COVID - the masks are needed until every child who wants to be vaccinated is vaccinated. I understand why they are needed currently but I cannot wait for them to be gone myself and hoping we get to lift school restrictions at the end of the month.

joebloggs32 · 10-02-2022 4:37pm

My daughter aged 10 tested positive a week ago. Most likey was primart school where she picked it up. She had one jab got and was due her second last weekend. She developed a few aches and pains so thats why we tested her.

Since then, myself and Mrs Bloggs along with my 8 year old have tested positive.

Its funny that when people worried about such things, Norma Foley would not have attributed the 3 subsequent infections to school transmission, yet that is what ultimately brought covid inside my front door.

Thankfully apart from coughs and colds no other symptoms. The 8 year old has had one jab, while both myself and Mrs. Bloggs are boosted. As someone who is a lottle overweight and has high blood pressure I'm glad the symptoms have been mild.

Spudman_20000 · 11-02-2022 5:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118611324#Comment_118611324

Otherwise known as Omicron. Time for people to move on.

Leftwaffe · 12-02-2022 11:05am

What’s the story with teachers on Twitter obsessed with keeping masks in schools? I’m a teacher myself and can’t wait to get rid of it.

Some seem obsessed with keeping them and any mention of getting rid of them is selfish, etc. **** lunatics.

Random sample · 12-02-2022 11:07am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118619813#Comment_118619813

There seems to be a campaign in this direction on the radio this week too. I thought we were all dying to get rid.

Spudman_20000 · 14-02-2022 11:40am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118619829#Comment_118619829

Seems like its the teachers unions mainly wanting to keep masks etc. There's nothing that crowd won't try to leverage, you heard them crying about schools reopening in January. That John Boyle of the INTO in particular is a doozey.

Sammy2012 · 14-02-2022 2:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118628257#Comment_118628257

The union don't speak on my behalf anyway. Or many teachers in my school. Everyone wants them off!!! The union is very out of touch with most of its members!

Random sample · 14-02-2022 3:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118628968#Comment_118628968

They are in touch with the members who contact them on an issue. Have you contacted them?

If masks stay it will be on Tony holahan’s say so, not the unions.

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