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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,764 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    That situation would be similar enough to the outdoor dining issue whereby the Gardai said this is an issue & government basically said we're moving with the legislation turn a blind eye



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,709 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    I'd like to see NPHET recommend there own disbandment too or else the government do it ASAP. That would absolutely be the end of it then



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,954 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Since they'll be amending the health act emergency provisions, I don't believe (and am open to correction) you can back date it, so the earliest date would be tomorrow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Legislative process I guess. By the time the cabinet has met and agreed (at 3pm), then in order to stand down laws, you need to run the whole thing through the same process that you use to put the restrictions in place in the first instance. They can and do manage to get these things done in short order with midnight meetings and votes, but getting it in place before 8pm tonight after a 3pm cabinet meeting is a bit of a stretch.

    Having it in place by tomorrow and just advising businesses to open tonight is more pragmatic and less likely to result in some stupid legal error.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 705 ✭✭✭Apothic_Red


    I assume that will mean mask wearing will become voluntary at this point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,709 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Bit of common sense here, if you are able to open tonight passed 8 you should be. Its cause for celebration



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Crocodile Booze


    From epidemiology to psychology and behaviour analysis. Some here even dabbled in meteorology during Barra.

    The level of expertise in this thread is really quite exceptional. Bravo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,954 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    I didn't say anything about policing it........



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,646 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    The giddy excitement here is infectious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,954 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    The restriction, which does not apply to takeaway or delivery services, was one of many announced by the Taoiseach on Friday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    Ah I'm an idiot!

    For some reason I thought the NPHET info leaked the Friday night.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,764 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Was decided on the Friday 17th, came in Monday 20th with the legislation drafted and signed over the weekend.

    To bring it in you need to draft the SI and have it approved by cabinet plus AG then signed by minister.

    It's sort of a reverse now, you need the legislation in place to be rescinded through a ministerial order and possibly some primary legislation to be repealed. To get it done on the day is very tight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 705 ✭✭✭Apothic_Red


    The only thing about masks & close contact rules is that if the government announce that they will be no longer a requirement in the future that people will take that as a green light from now.

    I believe there is as strong case to reopen more slowly in phased steps to allow the public a chance to reacclimatise on the return to normal.

    Pulling the plug overnight may cause undue anxiety in the general public where more would retreat into their shells than if we adopted a more gradual approach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,709 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Their is no rationale for these restrictions, if we can implement them quickly we can drop them quickly. Its time to celebrate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Crocodile Booze


    Only frenzy is in this thread my learned friend. Normal people have just been living their lives all along. Have a great day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 705 ✭✭✭Apothic_Red




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,686 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    There is more to be considered than that you know. A big reopening with no notice from 6pm would mean that there would be few/no public order gardai rostered for Dublin City tonight.

    It's not just pubs, their stocking and staffing that need to be considered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,987 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Surely if NPHET decide theres no longer a justification for public health measures they’re virtually saying that their job is done? I don’t see why a public health emergency team would stick around if it’s no longer an emergency



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    Probably the same here.


    Shame the HSE won't give us the data.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,000 ✭✭✭Get Real


    I have to say, positive news this week. Its great.

    But having read this thread or forms of it the past two years, it was the single most negative thing about covid for me that I stopped clicking in. Always on the first page. And always, always negative.

    The amount of criticism from Joe soaps (as I am also) about every single decision taken was outrageous.

    It was always going to be a lose lose for politicians. You have in the UK, which some people here were saying "well the Brits aren't as strict on X, y or z why are we fking it up " while simultaneously having people on London chat radio ringing in complaining about the lack of restrictions and using Ireland as an example of competence.

    I don't want it to be the case, but it's possible come November there may be a need for new restrictions. Again, don't confuse this with wanting them.

    Let's all enjoy this, and hope the worst is over.

    But some of the stuff being spoken about like an expert was cringe worthy. People speaking more from a personal bias and how it affects them, than actual facts.

    And now I see some people, critical of any restrictions at all throughout, moaning that they might have to return to the office 🙄. Again, it affects them personally and how they got used to working from home.

    The strong opinions on pubs in particular (and I drink myself) really underlined the unhealthy obsession people have with it. As unpopular as that is to say. Expert enough to want them open all the way through, and "I'll find research that proves they're no more risk" . Simultaneously "I don't want to go back to the office and prefer working from home, therefore I'll find studies that show productivity isn't affected by working from home."

    The amount of confirmation bias was unreal.

    If this thread makes a re-emergence in the autumn, I wont be clicking in at all. I won't want to hear " but they told us..." when in fact no, they didn't say it was over forever. But maybe you took it as that in your head and want to retrospectively apply it to what was said.

    Take this good news, enjoy it. I certainly hope that's it forever. But also, be a realist. And the politicisation of every single thing is also a load of toxic bollocks and always will be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,954 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    I reckon they'll be here till march 31st, they'll be finished when the legislation is.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭daydorunrun


    Leo on the news ‘some restrictions can cease immediately as they are only guidance. Other will have to be legislated for’.


    I don’t understand how legislation would have to be repealed? Anybody know why this would be the case? Surely it’s a simple thing to amend.


    just shows how the government were totally sideswiped by NPHET last night, a good working relationship would have meant some advance indication of their thinking- you’d swear they wanted to put them on the spot. No love lost between that lot.

    “You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.” Homer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,260 ✭✭✭Widdensushi




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,277 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    A little poem I penned to mark the occassion:


    They shut down our pubs under public health advice

    Hold firm they said, a couple of weeks may suffice

    We soon made celebrities out of epidemiologists

    And the government became NPHET apologists

    So, no handshaking, don't get too close to strangers

    Locked-down in our homes to protect those in danger

    Out for a walk, but not allowed exceed 5KM

    The queues outside Lidl were absolute mayhem

    The anti-lockdown brigade grew thicker and thicker

    And don't mention the Bulgarian fruit-pickers

    And as the pandemic progressed, it became more surreal

    We could eventually get a pint with a 9-euro meal

    Takeaway pints or drinking outside in the cold

    An abundance of caution while we protected the old

    Meanwhile, young people were partying on city-centre streets

    Dr.Tony was mortified and condemned them in a tweet

    The vaccine roll-out began, Pfizer and Moderna to the rescue

    But indoor dining and covid certs now became the issue

    No standing at the bar, no pints after 8PM

    Would we ever get back to normal again?

    And finally some sense, and restrictions seem no more

    But remember, you could even get a pint during the feckin' war!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,986 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Yeah some people were down to their last 50 rolls of toilet paper!

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,177 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    I think daily case numbers must stop now also



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,764 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd




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