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What are your thoughts on the fertiliser price s for 2022

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,340 ✭✭✭ginger22


    Why would you wait that long, we would go after 2 days no problem. Amazing how some people find problems where there are none. It works. There is no reason to question it. Try it and see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,577 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    In June bf was be 3.8 with corresponding urea of 13. Herd would be low in terms of genetics for bf, predicted genetically would be 4 for the year i think, done 4.02 and 4.05 the last two years. Find it to be slowest thing to rise whether is difficult to predict or what I dunno.

    Edit to add previous years urea would be in 20's and 30's not mid teens for the summer, growth back this year as well so perhaps plant not taking it up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,452 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    Yep. However I find that embryonic death doesn’t happen until 42 and over, but anything above 32 cuts the guts out of the cows. Luckily we have sorghum to ameliorate the damage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,452 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    Interesting.

    At MU that low you’re leaving a lot of milk after you. What pr dairy nut would you use when readings are that low?

    Funny how on maize based diets protein is always the issue and on grass based diets BF is the issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,577 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Have always gone to 14% p when at grass full time, 18 when in at silage. I was feeding more this year as well so perhaps thats part of it. Wpuld max out at 6kgs tho



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,452 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    That’s the problem with grass…you never know what protein, energy and dry matter until the results come back. When MU is 10-13 you’d want a 20%+ nut and then when it goes to 28-32 a 8-9%pr nut would do. Not easy.

    You’d be surprised how many litres you lose at MU sub 20.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,637 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    BIL bought 15 ton of fert today. Was told by rep that there would be a €90 unloading charge. BIL told him he'll unload the truck himself



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭Injuryprone


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    I'm only going off what the fellas selling the tow and fert in Ireland say. I question everything, am not a sheep.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,452 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    Merchants and Coops have never made such small margin on fert and are trying to boost their bottom line?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,637 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    Possibly that or trying to pass on transport charges as unloading charges



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,853 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,196 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    The west have damaged their own food security by consistently opting for food supplies at the cheapest options rather than balancing food security into the equation. So while Russia and China hold so much power over our food supplies it’s because we have handed it to them. There’s serious irony that capitalism caused such power to be handed over to communist countries 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,605 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    It's back 20 years ago a local farmer made a deal to buy straw in shed off a neighbour.

    The neighbour had business interests in various places including Isle of Man. Always fancied himself as a high roller.

    The farmer comes in with his mf35 and trailer. The neighbour loads the bales and just as payment was to be made, he mentions there's also a loading charge.

    The farmer tells him well he can unload the bales off again so. He did so and his name was black guarded to anyone would listen. He lost a customer for all time and other potential new ones.

    The neighbours farm was sold a few years after and he moved to I of M full-time.

    Edit : more wants more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,953 ✭✭✭green daries


    Its terrible knee jerk reactions by certain countries combined with as you say a cheapest price possible agenda has caught up with the powers that be



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,196 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    We’ve handed fertiliser and fuel supplies to two Communist superpowers, they now use access to these every time we criticise how they are behaving.

    Its time Europe woke up and focused on food and energy sovereignty similar to how it was focused on after WW2. It might cost a bit more, but we will have it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,812 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Dairygold have a charging structure. Depending on what way you buy fertlizer it is charged. For smaller buyers there is little negotiation.

    Normally they charge 2 euro/ton for credit, I not sure for how many months that is for as I never took it up. They charge I think about 3-5/ton for delivery. There are discounts for tonnage at 8,12 etc.these were 1-2/ton

    90 euro to unload 15 ton seems a lot. However this year merchants/co-ops are probably working on the same margin per ton as before rather than on a percentage margin of turnover.

    90 euro unloading charge may seem unreasonable, but if you unload yourself you carry all the risk after the fertlizer leaves the truck. If there is a hard or damaged bag it's your risk now.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭dmakc


    I'm putting out 2600gals/acre of slurry today across grazing ground. That's around 30-15-80 per acre. Will I need bother touch these fields with K for rest of year again? Need to think cost wise this year. Ground is index 3 which I think needs 60K/year



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,812 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I doubt if you need 60 units K on grazing ground. You have to allow for K from grazing dung. Never put any.koee than a bag of 18-6-12 on grazing ground any year. I would be feeding a bit of ration for 8-10 weeks at finishing on grass.

    I always target slurry onto silage ground. It's impossible to replace it with bag fertilizer

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,605 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Did you get the slurry tested?

    Those fert values seem very high.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,663 ✭✭✭DBK1


    To answer your question, no, you wouldn’t need to give grazing ground any more K than that, especially if index 3.

    Your slurry values seem a bit high, especially the nitrogen, unless it’s a mix of pig and cattle slurry? If just cattle slurry your 2,600 gallons will only give max 10 units of nitrogen.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭dmakc


    *Sorry mis calc on N, 1000gals of cattle slurry through dribble bar (in Spring) is apparently 9 units of N, so 2600 gals should give 23 units.

    As for the K requirements I'm probably following the book too closely here but at 210 stocking rate, the recommendation I read for grazing ground is 70K/year for index 2, and 40K/yr for index 3. I couldn't get the ideal mix but slurry has to go out and the silage grounds are wet.

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    My question was more from a point of view does it make a difference if you hit a ground's K requirement in one go, or is it best to hit half in spring / half in summer?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,637 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,605 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    If it's dairy cow slurry. The best you'll get is 6 units/1000g.

    And that's lab tested. Field values will be lower.

    You posted the answer yourself on the k fears on grazing ground. Better over the year. From the animals point of view.

    Different for silage ground.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 667 ✭✭✭farmer2018


    Anyone using granular seaweed fertilizer?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,605 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Have used it. But I only went with one years allocation.

    Recommended by those selling it to go for a few years allocation in one go and then no lime needed for that time.

    More suited for disc than wagtail spreaders.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,993 ✭✭✭straight


    I'd prefer to pay the 45 euro after tax and leave them work away. Easily damage a bag.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,993 ✭✭✭straight


    I'm thinking of buying a simple enough GPS for fertiliser and spraying. Topcon is one recommendation I'm after getting



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    No way would I pay it. Totally taking the piss. And I’d take my time too. Make a couple of phone calls in between......

    If I was only getting a couple of ton mid grazing I'd often say to the driver don’t bother taking down the fork lift and I’ll lift them off in a minute so it’s not the €45/90 - it’s the principle here. And I’d be shopping elsewhere the next time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭alps


    Working off of the phone here with "Field Navigator" app, since our patchwork GPS gave up.

    It works fine, with just a very odd blemish, but can't bring myself to reinvest in a gps.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,993 ✭✭✭straight


    See the FCI have released their latest guide price list. Nice money if you can get it.



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