Climate Bolloxolgy.

How does that translate into money in the farmers pocket - with input prices also after increasing significantly…

I was in REPS - I thought it was a good enough scheme. It didn’t rewild the countryside, but it brought awareness and did some good I think. It put money into farmers pockets, which I think is what schemes should do…

I don’t see why lads would call for schemes for the government to buy them out? Would lads actually sell I wonder?

Looks like the next evolution of schemes will be results based, which is grand as well.

I don't get your point - why should large scale industrial operators with little heed on any of the measures and are hardly on the "poverty line" pocket the same amount of cash as someone who has designated land with the restrictions that brings or a guy who is putting in genuine work on improving habitat??Its meant to be an "Environmental" scheme after all, not just money for old rope!! Its not just me saying that but the EU auditors and various NGO, Natura farmers group etc. also came to the same conclusion

I've ground on sac I know well what it's like it doesn't affect me one bit

Maybe the hen harrier is different from my area an I would expect it is

Ah, ok… I didn’t spit the designated bit.

I don’t have designated land.

But, to Birdnuts point - would you prefer to have sold your land to the government at the point of designation?

If the gov came up with a scheme now, to buy designated land, would you sign up?

EDIT - what happened the sheep to go blind? Heard ferns can cause blindness, but never seen it happen…

I'm afraid we will have to agree to disagree on that one - as I said earlier its already been audited by the likes of the EU and relevant agencies here and the conclusions are clear https://www.npws.ie/sites/default/files/publications/pdf/ffn-ebook-chapter-02.pdf

"have failed to deliver the EU and Convention on Biological Diversity (CBD, 2010) targets of halting biodiversity loss. The prescriptive nature of AESs, generic rather than context-appropriate measures, poor targeting and monitoring, low priority put on actual results along with inflexible payment conditions have been identified as some of the key reasons for their poor performance (Burton and Schwarz, 2013; Batáry et al., 2015; Herzon et al., 2018). There is increasingly a call for a new approach to delivering biodiversity objectives on European farmland, prominent among which is a call for the integration of an ecosystem service approach (MEA, 2005) into agri-environment measures and a payment structure based on the delivery of results (results-oriented), rather than the existing prescribed management or action-oriented approach (Burton and Schwarz, 2013; Herzon et al., 2018; Keenleyside et al., 2014). As argued by Hanley et al. (2012), "

I have to say the blocking of that emergency relief is a disgrace I'd love to know where the funds for court challenges come from

Don't be worrying now lads pipa hatchit and the greens will sort ye all. Two new special advisors on 90plus grand a year. Plant your trees and put up your hedgerows U might get the 90 grand a year as well. https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/former-rte-host-sean-orourkes-25971774

TBH i have no idea what you are on about and your last line tells me u clearly haven't read or understood anything I have posted here. I'm actually standing up for farmers who were denied a fair share of Pillar 2 money for land designations and those putting in genuine efforts to improve habitats, water quality etc. If that is what you consider "anti farmer" then I couldn't be ar$ed wasting more time explaining the issue to you.