Do men need a license to be allowed socialise (MOD NOTE IN OP)

No Walshb, the conversation was not about all women, you are still not listening to what I was saying then and are not listening now either. I referred to street harassment such as whistling, comments as outlined EXACTLY by Labre34 above.

The majority of women DO NOT want this behaviour. What do you think the media has been reporting on for the past week.

What you actually said was:

(1) I was trying to kill interaction between men and women

(2) That it is banter and just something that males do from time to time.

(3) That you would be fooking chuffed

Vast majority men who have wolf whistled are likely decent and ordinary men. It’s male banter. Women have their own female banter. How do people propose we drive this banter out of society?

we’re getting far too caught up in the small stuff here that males do from time to time.

Still you are here, defending it as innocent banter, when the feedback on the thread and in the media is that its not acceptable.

It has been described numerous times over the past few days as an issue for women. Yet, low and Behold, here you are denying it as an issue for women and you are still condoning it.

So, maybe you are the one being divisive.

I put it to you that if it is something that males do from time to time, that the minority of males that do it, stop it immediately.

So maybe re-read Labre's post and take heed.

they do on the third date anyway...

I've only read the first couple of pages, but I'd imagine the rest are basically the same comments but in different words. Klaz summed up my feelings better than I ever could. It's obvious there's a "men are to blame" angle. There are currently more women in Ireland than men, for the first time ever I believe. Aside from sexual offences, and I hope I don't need to explain why women are the main victims there, the rest of the "violent" offences (which includes threats) are male victims. I saw an article once, "1/3 of assault victims are female". So, 2/3rds are male then, twice the amount.

Looking at the violent crime stats from 2019, men were ~80% of homicide victims, ~20% sexual assault victims, and ~60% for all other assault offences. Further down, yeah, plainly obvious that most perpetrators are male. So there's a lot more male on male violence. It's because the highjacking is making out women to be the victims in general by all males.

But it's not all males who are perpetrators, and this is what is being pushed now, that it is all males. I stopped to help change a tyre a few hours ago. Driving along, in Limerick city (technically, busy enough road between the 2 roundabouts at the "Crescent" exit of the motorway. I was coming along and saw the car pulled in, flashers on, had to slow to overtake due to oncoming traffic. Saw a girl by herself in the car. I wasn't going to, but I went back and asked if she needed a jump, she said flat tyre, I offered to change it and she gladly accepted. The whole time I was doing it, I wanted to say something to let her know I wasn't "one of them", but how do you say something like that without someone immediately thinking that's exactly what "one of them" would say... I didn't. I kept my distance, ensured she saw me clearly, nearly told her to take a pic of my reg if she wanted to... I'd love to know what she was thinking, because I wasn't exactly dressed for outdoors (was only giving someone a lift beforehand) so I probably looked a bit rough, with a messy beard because I didn't intend on outdoors today.

It's not the first time I've done something like this, but it's the first time I felt uncomfortable doing it. I know I'm only doing something good, with no ill intentions in the slightest, but I still felt uncomfortable, but for her. It's weird. I don't like it. And there's nothing I can do about it, to fix it or anything.

Whistling still happens, but it would be more comments now and shouting out from cars etc. The smile, it never happens etc is still fairly common.

There is a video made (cant find it unfortunately) showing a woman out jogging and running (pardon the pun) into these type of scenarios.

Oh i dont doubt it has happened and most likely will again but i just dont think it happens frequent enough to be the staple of an argument.

You must have been on Mars for the past week.

The media is awash with women saying they want to go about their business in peace without being hassled and that this behaviour is not acceptable.

Maybe this is what people are talking about when people are saying men need to step up.

They should be castigated for it.

I dont agree with the guy who said men need a social licence (unhelpful)(, but if you think that its ok for men to harass women in the street, then there clearly is education needed.

Ok, you think males should be castigated for a wolf whistle. I think that’s an OTT reaction. We disagree here. No big deal.

Er.. what?

It’s getting there though. Not that it bothers me I hate interacting with randomers and “characters”

Ok, so you are advocating a wolf whistle to be a crime, that gardai then need to investigate?

unless you have another way to stop it?