"Green" policies are destroying this country

If we start talking about tackling pollution or reuse, recycling and recovery I am all in. I can even help with some tips since I am let us say "in the field" for what feels like a very long time and that tends to reward one with some experience.

If you want to talk about tackling "climate change" then I would rather go for some other sci-fi on netflix.

Well, I didn't do that, and I don't think dismissing people as 'weak minded' is a helpful way to have a discussion.

As I mentioned above, I don't understand the basis of how you formed your views on this area. Here's how I got to my perspective - maybe if you point out the place where you diverge, we'd have a better understanding of our relative positions?

1. The scientific method works to get us to a solid understanding of how the world works.
2. Scientists have been working on climate science for quite a while now, using the scientific method.
3. Weather and temperature readings have been collected from around world directly for hundreds of years now.
4. Computer modelling has become an increasingly important tool for scientific research in the last 50 years.
5. We can impute temperature data in various regions by various different means indirectly for a very long time before these things were recorded directly.
6. The greenhouse-effect is a well-proven and long-established phenomenon.
7. An overwhelming consensus of climate scientists, using the scientific method, have observed that global temperatures are increasing rapidly in a manner not explained by natural phenomena but readily explained by the massive release of CO2 since the industrial revolution.

Is there any point here that you think is incorrect, or you would modify? (I'm guessing yes, but I'm not sure which)

"The government proposal will make sure the expansion of onshore wind does not come at the expense of environmental and species protection. Currently legal appeals against wind energy permits, often filed on the basis of Germany’s Nature Protection Act, are a major stumbling block for new projects. Habeck says there needs to be a rebalancing of the competing interests, one that reduces the amount of delay created by endless lawsuits. This new plan will require shorter and less complex permitting for new wind farms."

Talk about contradicting oneself - it sounds like the solution to delays caused by environmental concerns and challenges is to water down the ability to challenge projects on environmental grounds, completely the opposite of what is alleged in the first sentence.

"The German Wind Energy Association has consistently stated that just 2% of German territory would be sufficient to build enough onshore wind to meet Germany’s renewables targets. During the press conference, Habeck stressed that restrictive distance rules between wind turbines and residential buildings would be de-emphasized in order to reach the new 2% target."

If he doesn't have a body guard, he'd better get several.

Unfortunately some are delving straight into the realms of EOTW type scenarios without even looking at the data.

What is much more likley to impact everyone in the short term will be a lowering of living standards with significant rises in energy costs as fossil fuels become more expensive. Ditto increases in food prices as artificial fertilisers made from the same fossil fuels become restricted and taxation in the form of carbon taxes are fully rolled out - not "civilisation breakdown"

We already have migrations and wars which sadly are an all to common part and parcel of the world we live in.

When you have protests that result in deaths and you have to call out the army to restore order, to me that would qualify as an example of civilisation breakdown, and the most recent example of that has been in Kazakhstan over fuel prices.

There is a lot of wisdom in the old saying "be careful what you wish for". Something greens might consider with their wish to increase fuel prices so high people would have no options other than buying into their plans.

Nail on the head. I see people taking out PCPs for electric cars for cars up to €40,000. The cars have a range of about 250 miles when new. They will be worthless after 7 or 8 years.

Greens did encourage everyone to get diesels, they don't like being reminded of it. In over 10 years time we will have moved on from electric cars it's a fad.

100 per cent agree that the attacks on agriculture in particular have been disgusting. A lot of these people making those attacks never did a real days work.

Yeah, this is bad and stupid. Some workaround/legal change should have been put in place.

I doubt it, otherwise they would be reversing the closure of perfectly good zero CO2 nuclear reactors. It's probably more to do with greens being socialists and having lower than normal intelligence.

No, you are wrong there, electric is here to stay, Diesel and petrol is already being wound down.

Investors are targeting electric, Funding and research in to ICE engines and factories is being wound down.

Manufacturers are walking away from Diesel for several years now and winding down Petrol.

Agriculture is a convenient Scape goat so others can preach but not change.

Asia,Africa and South America will be markets for petrol and diesel for many decades to come, Russia and Eastern Europe as well and the usefulness of an electric car in rural Canada would be minimal ,

Hybrids is where it'll be at for the next while, I know it's a gimmick but it passes all the current requirments

Tesla is the 21st century DeLorean ,Musk is a timebomb and you'll see the car part of his enterprises being taken over by Ford or someone similar, The cybertruck is shelved, the 2015-16 Tesla models are having issues, no dealer is going to risk selling older ones that will kill them on warranty claims, The book value of the company isn't really relevant,

The model being pushed isn't car ownership rather concepts such as car sharing (like city bikes atm) and car leasing - where you'll never own the vehicle but rather pay as you go or mass transport where available. It works with the whole concept of individuals being a countries single most valuable resource which can be exploited either through direct of indirect costs and taxation. And with utilities and services being outsourced by governments - individuals will be wholly dependent on governments or multinational corporations for every facet of their lives. No cutting your own firewood, no driving your old banger which you bought for 1000 euros. No living outside designated areas. A brave new world ...