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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,546 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    It would be great to see some leadership in speeding up the removal of restrictions which are obviously pointless at this stage,it would probably be of benefit if more people caught this mild version while it is common here rather than waiting for a different variant to circle around in a years time without the immune system advantage of having previously had Covid, i won't hold my breath though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,738 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Sadly leadership has been completely absent for quite a while and I dont think there is any chance of it being resurrected now.

    Lot of places now ignoring these nonsense restrictions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The "process" requires that NPHET meet and deliberate, letter leaks and then likely we have another 5 days to an official government position. Coordination has never been a key part of it! Even so, any sectors benefitting from it need a little bit of notice to change things around.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    The one thing I would say is that NPHET base their decisions on their models. With all we know about Omicron now, it would be impossible to come up with a model scenario which shows anything other than benign scenarios. I think Thursday's meeting could be very positive. Let's see. I'm an optimist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,461 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    Some posters are mentioning that us anti restrictions people are clutching at straws and to stop moaning about the restrictions that are in place and that they are not that bad.

    I will continue to argue, discuss and debate with people that the restrictions must end and must end immediately. Until this happens and our freedoms are restored, then I will continue with my objection to this Ireland we currently are living in.

    The restrictions don’t work. The masks don’t work. The vaccines don’t stop the spread (see our case numbers since Omicron started). Covid certs don’t work. Announcing case numbers day in and day out scaring people is wrong.

    If you think that wearing a mask is keeping you safe, please keep doing it. Wear it in the place you work or on the bus. I won’t be.

    Every second that these restrictions remain in place, we are unnecessarily adding to our massive debt pile that will cost us for the rest of our lives. Covid is not an emergency or even a problem anymore. We have the data, the science, the experience. It’s time to move on.

    We have real crises right in front of our eyes to deal with such as poverty, violence on our streets and in homes, housing and the environment.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    The climate in a country and the way people live their lives has a massive influence on outcomes

    Holy **** demographics eh

    So Europe's youngest nation, with a sparse population density, would have had a natural defense to Covid,a disease that effects the elderly and transmits via close contact.

    But, the same nation, decided to follow a policy of the severest,longest lockdowns, and subsequently added more debt to its public finances than other nation in the region



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    It not that you are complaining about current restrictions, it's that since it looks like they are coming to an end, you are clutching at straws for something to give out about, your post is a perfect example 🤣 thanks for that! Not sure how you didn't realise it!

    Im not pro restrictions either but it's funny to see your stand point shifting when you haven't anything to get worked up about.


    Of course your rebuttal will mention 'freedoms', 'oh it's funny is it, how funny is....etc.'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    Havn't posted here in a good while ...just popping in to say to hi...

    Hope you all have a happier and healthier 2022.

    Speckle



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Crocodile Booze


    Is the final sentence a list of your next projects to get angry about?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Im not pro restrictions either

    Odd that, considering your posting history

    You've missed the whole point of the post you've quoted



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,738 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Can you read properly?

    How did you manage to get that the poster is not complaining about current restrictions?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    I can read perfectly, thanks! Can you? Or is it just that you agree with the poster and suits your own view point?

    Yes, they speak of current restrictions but it's doused in what they are going to give out about next as they won't have anything to get angry about re current restrictions and the coming to an end, if you can't see that I can't help you out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    When restrictions do come to an end then it'll shift to endless dull whining about how much it cost, "the psychological damage that's been done will last for generations", blaming virtually every ill of society for the next decade on COVID. In six months time they'll see someone wearing a mask in public and use that for a rant about Ireland and sheep and mental damage.

    The anti-everything crew see the end of this coming and are upset that they're losing the opportunity to say, "I told you so". They were expecting restrictions to be permanent, or for a revolution to take place. As neither are set to happen they need to start sandbagging now so they can move onto the next thing without having to admit they were wrong.

    And on the other end of the spectrum you have the Helen Lovejoys who appear to be slowly losing grip on reality. Posting articles a year old about the seriousness of COVID, banging on about long COVID, claiming that relaxing restrictions is tantamount is a human rights violation or unconstitutional.

    I even saw one nutjob say, "2022 is the year Governments will try to convince you that COVID doesn't exist".

    It seems that when people are off the deep end, they just pick a side and then doggedly stick with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭vegandinner


    The only thing I can say with certainty is that Covid has been very divisive almost polarising.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,434 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    It’s created a serious amount of division between families as well! The faster we return to pre pandemic life the better, now albeit a fair section of society like Seamus said the Helen Lovejoys will be banging the drum for a long time to come (mentioning no names) even some won’t let the kids back to school because of long swine flu and long covid along with loads of other stuff!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 828 ✭✭✭Hey boy


    If and when everything returns to normal yes there will still be plenty to complain about. For one thing the extremely high tax burden to be foisted on the kids for a virus which barely affected them. Another, would be the high rate of undiagnosed cancers.

    It is critical that such is highlighted for years to come so that, for example, governments and media cannot adopt Chinese-lite lockdown policies so quickly with barely any opposition.

    Again, those who thought WFH and not going beyond 5km, not seeing their granny’s in order to save their granny’s etc was all great craic can choose to do so at any stage. Good luck to them.

    In advance I make no apology for so doing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 828 ✭✭✭Hey boy


    Seamus

    I agree with some of your earlier stuff but it’s a bit ironic that those who want their normal lives back are being called the “anti everything crew”. You used to live a normal life too and presumably quite enjoyed it, no? You should be thanking these folk among whom I am proud to count myself a fully paid up member (unless you mean anti vaccine).

    In England had it not been for Boris’ back bench “anti everything “ crew Boris would probably have brought in all the same stuff and everyone would now be claiming the restrictions worked when in fact they didn’t and now it is Scotland, Wales etc back tracking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Which one are you Seamus?

    You came out with this bollix last October when freedom day was approaching as well!

    You sure got let down then

    As neither are set to happen they need to start sandbagging now so they can move onto the next thing without having to admit they were wrong.

    I don't even know how to respond to that hypocrisy.

    You literally talked the most rubbish here back then, with assurances about reopening months slower than every other nation in the planet so we "wouldn't have to roll back the reopening", and now you have the guile to accuse others of not admitting when they are wrong



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,461 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    I can assure you that I am not anti everything. I will be going away quietly when things return to 2019 normal. I have no desire to clutch at straws.


    But as we sit here today, there is no plan, no vision for the rest of this year. Just the usual bumble babble and rubbish that we will review later in the week. Then we have the tinker around the edges thinking that the adjustments are achieving something.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,435 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Do fight the restrictions, but this paragraph is patently wrong, all of it, scientifically proven wrong with abundance of evidence. Including it adds no weight to your argument and makes you look like an internet crank, it's why people will be so quick to dismiss these calls, you have to build it on evidence and data. Omicron will do most of the work itself that you're pushing for, again, using an abundance of evidence.

    The restrictions don’t work. The masks don’t work. The vaccines don’t stop the spread (see our case numbers since Omicron started). Covid certs don’t work. Announcing case numbers day in and day out scaring people is wrong.



  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    You'd wonder should the US not be trying to INTRODUCE Omicron at this point, rather than allowing Delta to spread in certain states. For countries that closed borders due to Omicron (albeit without knowing how dangerous it was, but there were immediate views on that from South Africa, that it was milder), they've just delayed, arguably, the saviour of us that is Omicron?


    NY Times today.

    Most U.S. doctors have no way to determine which variant of the coronavirus a patient is carrying, a distinction that could mean the difference between life and death.High-risk patients carrying the Delta variant could benefit greatly from two particular monoclonal antibody treatments shown to reduce hospitalization and death. But those medications would most likely do nothing for patients with Omicron, who would only respond to a third antibody treatment that is in very short supply.

    For the next few weeks, as the country grapples with this uneven mix of both variants, tailoring treatments to each patient will be “extraordinarily difficult,” said Dr. Alex Greninger, assistant director of the clinical virology laboratories at the University of Washington Medical Center.

    Dr. Greninger is credited with developing one of the first tests to detect the coronavirus in the United States. But he is pessimistic that health systems can pivot quickly to sort out which patients have Delta or Omicron. And although a shortcut test can detect Omicron, there’s no simple way to report the results in bulk, he said.

    What’s more, the genome sequencing used by public health officials takes nearly a week — too long to target the early antibody treatments that have been found to reduce the need for hospitalizations. That makes patient care particularly difficult right now, said Dr. Mark Siedner, an infectious disease clinician and researcher at Massachusetts General Hospital.

    In Massachusetts and nearby states, an estimated 44.5 percent of cases are Omicron. Dr. Siedner said his health system has stopped using the Regeneron and Eli Lilly antibodies that are not effective against Omicron and are “anxiously awaiting” more doses of the effective treatment by GlaxoSmithKline and Vir Biotechnology.

    https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/01/03/world/omicron-covid-vaccine-tests



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    ICU at 88, down 1, very steady numbers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,435 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    If you're calling for a referendum, it's usually a good idea to know what you'd call the referendum for, but anyway.

    Say there's a general election tomorrow, who are you going to vote for to enact all this?

    Should we start having a general election for every government decision which already has wide public support? Do you propose moving Ireland to direct democracy?

    Anyway, there's 0% chance that an election or referendum will be called for this, there is no pressure on politicians to do so.

    NPHET’s solution to this is ‘get the booster in 3 months’ - where is the science for that. They’ve recovered from the virus the booster (for the original strain) doesn’t give full protection from. In many cases the virus is far milder than the effects many had from the booster.

    The science shows pretty clearly that the vaccines work very well against Omicron, not sure why you would think otherwise.

    There's no requirements right now for boosters on COVID certs internally, if there is, then everyone will have had a chance to get a booster before it comes in (I think we'll see them dropped before then). If you're planning on travelling internationally, you'll need a booster sooner rather than later (or keep paying extra for PCR testing).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,751 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Unfortunately looks like there was 5-6 deaths in ICU



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,434 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Front the business post article that I posted earlier!

    david Nabarro said

    What determines whether something becomes dominant? Answer: it has an evolutionary advantage. An evolutionary advantage for a virus means not killing your host. The moment you kill your host as a virus, your lifetime is suddenly ended, because you depend on the host being alive for your virus to be alive,” he said.

    we are at the end game! Omicron is it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Hold up - what is it that we should be thanking you for? 😮

    I'd assumed that boardsies just complained on here, but have you done other things too to bring the pandemic to an end?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Everyone wants life back to normal.

    The anti everything brigade are the ones who were calling for their life back in May 2020 and never stopped .

    There's a cohort of people who believe that restrictions and other health measures were either totally unnecessary or were a cover/front for something else.

    The same people who were violently protesting on the streets about being allowed to go to the pub when ICUs were jammed with people dying and family members not allowed have proper funerals.

    You know, morons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    There's a cohort of people who believe that restrictions and other health measures were either totally unnecessary or were a cover/front for something else.

    The same people who were violently protesting on the streets about being allowed to go to the pub when ICUs were jammed with people dying and family members not allowed have proper funerals.

    More bollix about the pubs.

    Pubs are something you have an issue with, but others are indifferent to pubs, it's just a personal scape goat you use to discredit the argument of others.

    Most "anti everything " folk would have been happy if Ireland followed a European approach to lockdowns,and use them only and when required.

    Ireland used them just in case, and they are still doing so now, when most of Europe has no curfew, Ireland is persisting with one.

    Everyone wants life back to normal.

    No, no they dont

    In fact, some believe life is normal now



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    I never realised we're not allowed complain about things in the past, thanks for letting us know.


    And it isn't even in the past yet anyway. The 8pm curfew is still here and will be for another 2 weeks at least even though we were told if Omicron is less severe than expected those restrictions will be reversed sooner. Here we are, Omnicrom a lot milder than we could even have expected and we're keeping the restrictions another 2 weeks for what? Just for the sake of it? That is not how restrictions should be used, they should only be used as a last resort when absolutely needed. What have we gained from these current restrictions? We already currently have the highest rates in Europe at the moment, would they have been any higher if didn't have the 8pm closing? I doubt its made much if any difference.

    Were we right to complain about antigen tests or are we not allowed give out about that now either? and we'll pretend that NPHET and government didn't change their stance on that. If it wasn't for the public to take it opne themselves and lead the way with antigen tests we'd still be being told they're useless now.



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