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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭daydorunrun


    Yeah, I can fathom it, where is the gain? People saying it civic duty? Don’t buy it. It’s actually surreal and absurd that thousands of people are uploading antigen test to the HSE when only a matter of weeks ago they were called snake oil.

    I’d probably agree with the half wit sentiment, but part of me wonders are these people don’t want things to go back to ‘normal’ what ever that is.

    There is a chance these new metrics will be considered going forward, that can only really mean slower easing- some people I know dread a full and permanent move back to the office. Perhaps they have there full wits but ulterior motives?

    “You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.” Homer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Your humor is ironic. Its inadvertantly highlighting your lack of knowledge on GDP in Ireland.

    It's not a "myth", the term is leprechaun economics in those other places "without large GDP inflows".🤣

    Here's a fairly basic explanation in an article

    Yet a handful of these multinationals are so big that, when they exploit Ireland’s low-tax environment with accounting moves, the nation’s GDP figures can be pushed to breaking point.

    This first happened in 2015 when Ireland posted a gravity-defying 26 percent gain in GDP, the highest ever recorded in post-war Europe. Nobel-winning economist Paul Krugman dubbed it “leprechaun economics.”

    Eventually it became clear that much of that 2015 gain reflected Apple’s decision that year to shift its intellectual property assets to an Irish domicile. The IMF calculated in 2018 that a quarter of Ireland’s GDP growth could be attributed to global sales of iPhones, with other Apple units paying the Irish unit to use its IP.

    Bottom line is we are now €240,000,000,000 in debt, and we unnecessarily spent 2 years in severe lockdowns without any evidence they work.

    Our access to credit in future is far from assured, our infrastructure is poor & we have already cancelled infrastructure upgrades due to funding issues.

    Were about to leave the insulation of restrictions, to finally have an autopsy on our economy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,127 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    What's comical is your wilful distortion. There was never an issue with positive antigen tests, but false negatives and poorly administered self tests.

    This was in addition to people using antigens while symptomatic, getting false negatives and then continuing to do whatever activity they planned instead of getting a PCR test.

    These concerns have been somewhat mitigated by Omicron being a less severe disease and the high levels of vaccination.



  • Posts: 533 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You've said already we have cancelled infrastructure projects. Which projects? Name even two or three. Since there are apparently so many of them cancelled, you should be able to find some.

    Also our infrastructure isn't poor at present. It's pretty middle of the road in some areas and reasonably good in others.

    The major lackluster area is urban transit and we mostly can't get that done due to inability to drive the projects rather than lack of resources.

    What is your alternative proposals to the cautious ones we had? Play Russian roulette with COVID? Let the hospitals go into a genuine meltdown perhaps? Maybe I don't know let the old and weak die off in some laissez-faire dystopian type policy?

    The only other alternative would have been to end the CTA and build a NI border and entirely suspend EU access, as it’s literally a case of if Britain and the EU gets a cold, we start sneezing.

    None of those options come without huge costs.

    We could go around and around in circles arguing which options were least expensive or had more benefits vs costs but the notion that we could have just done nothing and it would all be fine simply doesn’t add up based on the U.K. experience or many other EU countries’ experiences either.

    It also ignores the fact that those measures, even if not the theoretical optimal based on hindsight and knowledge we didn’t have at the time are very likely to have kept it under control to some degree too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,265 ✭✭✭Danye


    Oh right. So there’s no such thing as false negatives now? That issue has been addressed has it?

    People also undertook a course (over zoom of course) to ensure these self administered tests are done correctly now as well did they?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,127 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Of course it remains an issue, but I've already explained why that is mitigated as a risk now.

    In any case, people are not being asked to upload negative tests, but positive ones. False positive antigen tests are much rarer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,040 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Well, the Lidl ones turned out to be snake oil and were pulled from the market?

    It's also pretty pathetic to have people whining for months about not using antigen tests, and now the same people are whining about using antigen tests.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    It's also pretty pathetic to have people whining for months about not using antigen tests, and now the same people are whining about using antigen tests.

    The same type of thing has happened for 2 years.

    In this case posters were backing NPHET all the way about antigen not being accurate etc etc

    Despite every other county in Europe using antigen since the start of the pandemic of course

    Now, NPHET have done a complete 360 on antigen testing, and the same posters are just rowing in behind NPHET like they never were completely against antigen previously!!

    Bonkers

    Its a bit like the in hospital with/because of argument.

    Seemingly as of this week, its now official that a significant number of patients are in hospital for other reasons, however it was a conspiracy theory for almost 2 years, despite the numbers never adding up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    The saddest part of it all is these scaremongers will never be held to account for the devastation they yielded upon our society.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    They are meaningless because they literally serve no purpose whatsoever. And anyone uploading these test results is just making it harder to get out from under these restrictions.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,127 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    It serves as a way of capturing data that would go otherwise uncaptured.

    It may actually result in restrictions being lifted earlier as there will now be data for prevalence in the un-pcr tested cohorts. In the absence of data, conservative assumptions would have to be made.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    We don't need to give them more data though. It only prolongs the inevitable slow removal of restrictions. Numbers outside of ICU are completely meaningless at this stage. Hospital admissions isn't even a useful metric anymore with so many people not being primarily treated for Covid after testing positive in there. And general case numbers are a nonsense now. We need to stop with the mass testing and reporting of these numbers. It ain't healthy for society to continually do this.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,127 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Who are you to say what data is needed? By having access to more data, it could facilitate a more rapid removal of restrictions because it allows us to be more confident that there is not a reservoir of disease in the cohorts that are not being PCR tested. The collection of this data has a low cost and could be useful - so why not gather it? More data is always better than less data.

    If you don't like looking at the case numbers, turn off the news. But I'd rather our government wasn't flying blind, so the more data they have, the better the decisions they can make.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    You know what's worse than more data? Bad data.

    That's all we are getting from case numbers now.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,412 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    I still can't believe they announced case numbers on Christmas day. What did that achieve exactly?

    Arseholes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Scraping the bottom of the barrel for something to complain about there..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,285 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    But as I've pointed out, the "data" isn't collected to determine prevalence, that's a secondary use.

    At low levels of prevalence, wastewater testing is good. We do that.

    At high levels, random PCR testing is good. We don't do that, as far as I know.

    The main concern with COVID is currently impact on healthcare settings, where our PCR testing capacity is concentrated. So we have good data there.

    Collecting a subset of positive self administered antigen test results is not epidemiologically useful. It's data snake oil.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    I don’t need to design a referendum question, the referendum shouldn’t come until there’s a general election. I don’t think the current Government have a mandate for their policies beyond what they termed was the ‘public health emergency’.

    There is no mandate for the current Certs domestically based on such a mild strain as Omicron that nearly all of the population have or will have caught shortly. Some may not have been able to get pcrs or recovery certs or boosted as they caught the virus recently. NPHET’s solution to this is ‘get the booster in 3 months’ - where is the science for that. They’ve recovered from the virus the booster (for the original strain) doesn’t give full protection from. In many cases the virus is far milder than the effects many had from the booster.

    The public health emergency is all but over for now. People are buying themselves a few months of societal participation with a booster or recovery cert, that is a very big change to how the country is run. I would follow the election & any party supporting Covid Certs for societal participation would not get my vote, there is no science behind them. If that means I vote for different parties than usual, that’s what I’ll do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    It looks more like an effort to make it useful and while it might give more insight about infections in LEAs in such very small numbers it's not really going to say much more than is already known. The likes of GP referrals, PCR test positivity and hospital numbers in particular is the real data.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,546 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    They haven't been updating the lea data, it also says confirmed cases in the app, i presume that they need to reword that if including antigen results.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Crocodile Booze


    Here we have the first whispers of disappointment from the anti-everything crew as we near the end of this. Having to drag up old outrage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,056 ✭✭✭✭fits




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Why the refusal to compare Sweden to the closest countries demographically, geographically, ecologically and culturally?

    The climate in a country and the way people live their lives has a massive influence on outcomes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭the kelt


    Let’s be honest publishing daily case numbers is nothing but covid theatre at this stage.

    Serves no purpose whatsoever



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    That day will come soon enough but there would be more questions if they weren't. The HPSC would still publish them. Theatre or not there does seem to be an understanding now in the public that it is all about hospitals but it's no harm to see the cases anyway, especially the positivity declines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,434 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Interesting story in the business post! Covid to become like the common cold




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,754 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    I suspect that that's the purpose.

    That or the never ending search for a pat on the head from someone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    And there it is. 965 in hospital, compared to 984 last Sunday. Extraordinary to think that with probably more than 1 million (maybe even 2 million) infections in this wave, we peaked with barely over 1000 in hospital, one third of whom did not require treatment for Covid. If we went completely back to normal tomorrow, with zero restrictions, we'd still be grand. With the protection of vaccines, Omicron just isn't a threat.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    965 in hospitals, up 25 - 117 new admission and only 57 discharges.



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