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Djokovic

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  • Posts: 14,768 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    From what I’ve read, he wasn’t booted out because he is unvaccinated, he was booted out because he was less than truthful on his visa application and he proved himself to be unwilling to abide by Covid restrictions in his own country prior to travel when meeting people, unmasked, the day after he tested positive for Covid.

    He thumbed his nose at the authorities in Serbia and Australia, so his arrogance and stupidity got him booted out, not his vax status.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭kerry_man15


    Today's hearing wasn't about his visa being valid.

    On Friday, Alex Hawke made the call to deport Djokovic from Australia “on health and good order grounds, on the basis that it was in the public interest to do so”. The Minster used his personal power to overturn a decision in the Federal Circuit Court on Monday that allowed the tennis star to remain in the country.

    Djokovic was taken back to a detention hotel on Saturday after Mr Hawke said the tennis star’s opposition to getting the jab “may foster anti-vaccination sentiment” and cause “civil unrest”.

    Not only could Djokovic encourage people to flout health rules, Hawke said, but his presence could lead to “civil unrest”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,142 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Picture a world where you want to enter Australia and you lie on your visa application. Then lie to the official in front of you.


    Do you believe that you personally would have even made it as far as a judge?

    Having been to Australia and dealth with the officials personally I can tell you that you wouldn't have left the airport and would be on the next plane home.

    Yet you want some multi millionaire to be treated differently to you.

    Why? Do you not value yourself at all? Are you happy to doff your cap to your betters.... Why are you out shilling for people you'll never meet, whom have zero interest in your life and would probably brush past you.



  • Posts: 14,768 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Pretty sums it up, once those pictures of him out in public after testing positive hit the internet, there was no going back. The guy marches to the beat of his own drum, which is fine, but the Australians have had the most stringent lock downs in the world and they don’t seem to like people who think they are more important and deserve special treatment not afforded to others. ND has been there often enough to know that.

    Their game, their rules.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,344 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Australia, the former prison colony has certainly lived up to its name during Covid, what I still find amazing is the mass psychosis of its people. ‘We didn’t get to see our relatives as they died, we got locked into our state, we have to get the vaccine to participate in society so therefore Djokovic must leave as he’s making us question all of this’.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭kerry_man15


    I'm just pointing out that Djokovic participating in a tennis tournament is not a threat to public order. He's there to play tennis and win a tournament, not to stir up anti-vaccination sentiment and cause civil unrest. He was deported because his vaccine views don't align with the governments.

    Think about how crazy the situation is...the world number one tennis player, who is supremely fit and healthy, is not allowed to take part in the tournament just because he has chosen not to take a vaccine. He's no more of a risk of spreading Covid than any other person there. People should be free to choose whether they want to be vaccinated and not be punished if they choose not to.



  • Posts: 14,768 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ya they certainly seemed to have to put up with far more than most if not all countries. But it’s the people/electorate who seem to have driven the backlash so politicians have to listen to the voters.



  • Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    "mass psychosis"

    Joe Rogan quackery



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭kerry_man15


    Yes, have a look at Western Australia, they have been locked in for the past 2 years and everyone else is locked out of there. This will continue for the foreseeable future, I highly doubt McGowan will open in a few weeks as he had planned to. He's even banned unvaccinated people from doing pretty much everything such as...

    • Visitors to public and private hospitals, and residential aged care facilities
    • All hospitality and food and licensed venues including restaurants, dine-in fast food, cafes, bars, pubs, clubs, taverns
    • Bottle shops
    • Indoor entertainment venues, including play centres, gaming and gambling, theatres, concert halls, museums, cinemas and live music venues
    • Nightclubs
    • Crown Perth complex
    • Major stadiums
    • Gyms, fitness studios and centres
    • Amusement Parks and the zoo
    • Music festivals and large events with more than 500 people




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,423 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    People are free to choose not to be vaccinated.

    Adults should know that actions/choices have consequences.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,838 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Of course it is a threat to public order. There was an antivax protest outside the AO venue, there was also quite a bit of violent trouble outside the hotel he was being held in.

    You are also conveniently skating over the fact he lied on his form, didn't follow the rules when covid positive in his own country (and possibly Spain), oh and organised a super spreader tennis tournament.

    On a side note his looper family also did him zero favours with their nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,555 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    I don't think just yet. A few months is a long time during this whole Covid-19 pandemic

    IF omicron was to be the final strain, potentially that will be the case, as I think the WHO themselves stated long-term boosters isn't viable- although im not sure why as the flu shot is an ongoing program, and having just finished recovering from Omricon it's not something I would like again anytime soon and will continue to take what is on offer with vaccinations.

    The fear is another strain more like delta will emerge



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭kerry_man15


    It's hardly "freedom of choice" if there are consequences such as losing your job, not having the freedom to do basic things like go to a cafe or basically not be able to partake in society. Why the need for consequences if you choose not to be vaccinated? Both the vaccinated and un-vaccinated are catching and spreading the virus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,125 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Well, the begrudgers won. They got to see a very successful and talented and famous and wealthy person fall/fail

    all on the omission on a visa.

    of course, people will try pretend it’s all to do with health and safety….

    heslth and safety to protect us from someone who was going to be zero threat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,350 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Yet somehow a massive disproportion of those in hospital and ICU are unvaccinated?

    Of course it's freedom of choice. Every choice and decision you make has implications.

    That's what choices are.....weighing up pros and cons etc


    In relation to this case. They guy appears to want to be above everyone else. Whatever about his Vax status. His attitude has been shocking buy not surprising.

    Have zero sympathy for the multimillionaire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭kerry_man15


    There have been anti-vax protests all over the country for the past 12 months or more, which have been much bigger than anything seen outside the AO venue or hotel. Is Djokovic to blame for these aswell? 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,016 ✭✭✭Panrich


    As the unvaccinated are over represented in availing of hospital care, there is a public health cost and concern associated with that. As such, the governments around the world would prefer people to be vaccinated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭swampgas


    Oh boo hoo. It's all entirely his own fault. Almost every other tennis player has agreed to be vaccinated, and got into Australia without problems.

    Personally I'm delighted, the rich and famous breaking the rules should face the same consequences as the rest of us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭kerry_man15


    It's more coercion than freedom of choice if you are threatened with losing your job and not being able to part-take in normal society if you refuse to be vaccinated. Many have reluctantly taken it just to keep their jobs. Some have lost their jobs for choosing not to get vaccinated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Australian politics at its finest as it has been throughout this. He certainly brought a lot of it on himself but it could have been headed off well in advance by clearer chains of command and rules. Nobody really wins.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,350 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Welcome to a fair and just society where everyone, despite their social and financial status, is held to the same standards. We could do with more of it to be honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,768 ✭✭✭Man Vs ManUre


    Why don’t they just move the tournament to New Zealand and let him defend his rightful title??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,435 ✭✭✭Allinall


    No, but if he wants to come here he will have to comply with entry requirements, same as Australia.



  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This is all Djokovic’s fault. No one else’s



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,350 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Of course, choices and decisions have implications. Make a choice and accept the implications.

    I note you've chosen to ignore the disproportionate effect the unvaxed are having on hospitals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,125 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I forgot. This is the other angle begrudgers will trot out.

    not relevant here at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,350 ✭✭✭✭kippy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,423 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    It is a choice that he made all by himself. His choice meant he couldn't enter the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,423 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Its certainly a dark day for those who wanted stricter immigration but with no immigration at all for celebs.


    Its great to see law applying equally to everyone.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,423 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Its entirely relevant. Its why hes been fùcked out.



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