Djokovic

Donald Trump · 15-01-2022 08:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118481024#Comment_118481024

How many other people did or did not get an exemption has no relevance. It is up to the Australian authorities to decide their conditions for allowing or denying entry.

Assuming he travelled on a Serbian passport, the Serbian government can take it up with the Aussies at a diplomatic level if they so wish. But they have no authority to dictate what can an cannot be done. The person himself also has no authority to do anything similar.

mickdw · 15-01-2022 08:08PM

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Now you maintain this is just out of spite and that they have no issue at all over his paperwork or his actions when realistically they have very valid concerns given that he lied on his travel declaration and took the absolute piss meeting people while having covid or the alternative is that his pcr result is manufactured. The Aussie government don't know and cannot know what the real situation is and as such he should not be granted access for a whole range of reasons from public health to general public interest.

The ministers clause 113 (c) would appear to be a very valid method of ensuring he is not granted access.

You can argue all day long that he had no reason to lie or that the Australians have no issue with his paperwork whatsoever but the reality is that they have issue with him, he has attempted to walk all over their immigration system using lie on top of lie so they don't want him in the country. I would 100 percent agree with them.

I believe you personally had dealings with Australian immigration where an error was easily sorted. That only confirms that they are more than fair if you are straight up with them - the opposite of what Djokovic has been.

When they see someone bullshitting, they send them home by return flight.

15-01-2022 08:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118481146#Comment_118481146

they stopped him due to political motives due to media interest in him coming on the exemption - and tried to make it up as they went along

the other people getting in ahead on exact same basis shows that

also as shown by the original "reason" being abandoned for the nuclear 113c law and the stuff in that age article linked

15-01-2022 08:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118481154#Comment_118481154

none of this was known at the initial stage and didn't come out until later and for the nth time the 14 day travel thing is not a big smoking gun - the government didn't even reference it and there is no motivation to lie about that as it's not something that would prevent entry

the point is that the original "stopping" was purely political and a spurious "no proof" of exemption reason picked for cancelling visa (which later the government conceded themselves was rubbish)

Donald Trump · 15-01-2022 08:37PM

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Glasso, it's like if I have a party and you arrive and I tell you to get out of my house. I don't need to give you a reason. You have no entitlement to be there once I tell you to get out. It's tough sh1t.

15-01-2022 08:41PM

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if that was the case Djokovic would be long gone but he's not is he (even if likely not to be able to do much about that law)

but great work on just ignoring the obvious truth that he was targeted and screwed over

him or the others never would have come near Australia if they hadn't been given exemptions

then the process was just torn up for politics

end of the road · 15-01-2022 08:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118481348#Comment_118481348

they stopped him because they became suspicious of his claims and the evidence to support his exemption was insufficient.

others got through because they provided sufficient evidence that they met the requirements.

Donald Trump · 15-01-2022 08:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118481425#Comment_118481425

He either produced fake or misleading test results or else blatantly broke isolation rules where he was. Which do you think is a better situation?

15-01-2022 08:58PM

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that has proved to be rubbish and the government conceded the same since by agreeing that he had a valid exemption on arrival and have abandoned that track completely

that's just the story put out "proof of exemption" because they couldn't think of what else to stop him on

first they put out that it was a visa error then changed to proof of exemption then also that oh he only had one piece of proof - yes you only get one positive pcr test when you do a test.

the judge also made the comment on the process that Djokovic followed and the proof

"what more could this mad have done"

Djokovic was screwed over

as said he would never have been going near Australia except him meeting the requirements and being told how the process works (as the bloody PM said in the quotes)

anyway I've made my position clear on this - little point in going on in my view

end of the road · 15-01-2022 09:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118481532#Comment_118481532

lack of proof is a visa error so the authorities were correct.

15-01-2022 09:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118481524#Comment_118481524

he broke the isolation rules on the sports photoshoot - shouldn't have done that.

can't argue that he wasn't wrong there

but that is not pertinent to the Australian debacle - that was weeks before he came to Australia and in Serbia

trying to frame it as "fooked either way" has been done to death already

he was wrong there

that's it

the test has not been proven to be fake (despite proved bullshit Der Spiegel stories etc) and the Australians have accepted is as genuine

15-01-2022 09:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118481550#Comment_118481550

again - nothing to do with exemption reason put out, found a week later, wouldn't have prevented entry so no motivation for a lie there, Australians haven't even brought it up in submissions or statements because it's not considered substantive by them

all covered off in posts already

Donald Trump · 15-01-2022 09:23PM

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The burden of proof is not on the Australian authorities to prove that something is fake.

(He attended other events apart from that photoshoot btw)

Australia is their country, they can let him in if they want, or revoke any permission previously granted at any later stage. Djokovic's predicament and legal standing comes down to what is known in legal terminology as "tough sh1t"

cnocbui · 15-01-2022 09:39PM

"‘Send him home’: Poll reveals overwhelming support for decision to deport Novak Djokovic

An exclusive survey shows 71 per cent of Australians think the defending Australian Open men’s champion should not be allowed to stay and compete.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/send-him-home-poll-reveals-overwhelming-support-for-decision-to-deport-novak-djokovic-20220115-p59oh9.html

You can add my vote to that 71%.

Stick him in a cage on bondi beach, retreat and wait and see if a tsunami from the Tonga eruption does hit.

Larbre34 · 15-01-2022 09:42PM

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He went to an in-person interview with a L'Equipe magazine reporter, one day after he had been notified of a positive test on December 17.

Add that to all the stupid ass behaviour and arrogance you listed above and the rest that you didn't, it makes the decision of Minister Hawke not just completely understandable, but entirely necessary.

.....under section 133C(3) of the Migration Act to cancel the visa held by Mr Novak Djokovic on health and good order grounds, on the basis that it was in the public interest to do so.

Australia's Government has a few different roles here, among them being to protect the integrity of immigration policy, not just the letter, but the spirit.

The Government also has a duty, as elected by the people, to ensure that there is not any avoidable disquiet, nay unrest, due to the Australian people being made to feel like total and absolute fűckimg mugs in their own land, for adhering to one of the strictest lockdown protocols in the World for all those months.

Allowing Djokovic to remain, after all his blatantly arrogant, inconsiderate and disrespectful behaviour **AFTER** he was granted the initial exemption, is inconceivable.

Djokovic is fűcked. He fűcked himself. He and his people. There is no other blame to be attributed here.

Absolutely everything he has done in relation to Covid, really since the Adria tournament, is pertinent to the decision of the Australian Minister / government.

All Governments must reserve the ultimate power of deportation - for far less compelling reasons than these by the way - and no Court is going to be able to overturn the Minister's discretion as clearly laid out in the legislation.

Your arguments are redundant, he's being put on a plane tomorrow and he'll have a 20 hour trip home to have a decent think about his conduct these last few months.

15-01-2022 09:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118481716#Comment_118481716

that's fine, dandy, grandstanding and very easy to say until one would end up in a situation on the end of that or similar law of a rule of state where one had apparently no protection of natural justice or law

leaving the vaccine stuff aside for a moment it's a great advertisement for a place that markets itself as a tourist destination

15-01-2022 09:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118481831#Comment_118481831

all too hyperbolic to engage with tbh and been through it all before

such hyperbolae and utter fake moralising here is a laugh I have to say

Australia never knew it had so many defenders of its borders on boards until now

Donald Trump · 15-01-2022 09:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118481833#Comment_118481833

He's not a tourist. He was going there for work.

If you travel to the US on your ESTA, it is there in the small print that you have signed away any right you might have to appeal the decision of the CBP officer. That officer has sole discretion to deny your entry. Were you to travel to the US on a visa, they could still deny you entry, but you would have a right to appeal in a court. It can happen, and it does happen. It normally wouldn't end up in the paper.

sporina · 15-01-2022 09:51PM

@glasso have some dignity man..

yikes

15-01-2022 09:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118481854#Comment_118481854

it can especially happen when targeted for political capital gaining exercises yep

Donald Trump · 15-01-2022 09:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118481872#Comment_118481872

They can do it for whatever reason they want. At their sole discretion. Same as me telling you to leave the party in my house.

Larbre34 · 15-01-2022 10:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118481841#Comment_118481841

All too dismissive to engage on the points is it? Know you don't have any plausible argument is it?

What everyone who is arguing against you is saying, that these principles of border control are in the gift of any Country.

Judging by the 71% public backing of the Government decision to expel him, it seems the Aussies are quite content to back themselves here

15-01-2022 10:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118481944#Comment_118481944

no literally they have all been done before but some reason the same stuff is just posted again but some other person because they think they have something new to say but don't

the basis presented by immigration minister Hawke along with his 113c is

public health - even though Hawke conceded that Djokovic is not a spread risk -
good order - that Djokovic is going to excite anti-vaxxers is Australia depsite him not having said anything about vaccines since they became available, organised a vaccine drive this year at the Serbian open and the fact that well over 90% of Australians are vaccinated

neither make rational sense.

original argument that they have completely abandoned because they conceded it was untrue

if they wanted to keep Djokovic out they should have told him before he travelled instead of telling him yes you've got the exemption and flip-flopping and ambushing him at the border when he arrived, making up any old an argument that they abandoned later and now having to resort to a law of no natural justice recourse

and all the the muppet PM Morrison (who is as slimy as Leo Varadkar after being sprayed with cooking oil) can even come up with is rubbish pandering about "protecting sacrifices" .

the place is riddled with Omicron - there is nothing to protect in respect of Covid.

He's just playing up to the average hipster muppet over there and their lack of self-awareness - "we're blocking that tennis player for the time you couldn't go out to get your coffee".

conflating two things that have nothing to do with each other -> that very government's pandemic policy that the people endured and a fooking tennis player!

the Australians created all this and they look like arses on the international stage

AckwelFoley · 15-01-2022 10:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118480948#Comment_118480948

I know 2 Irish people heading home after years of living in Australia. She's a teacher. He works in an specialist area that requires close contact with rest of his team for long periods of time. Both professions require vaccinations.

Both heading home to Ireland having lost their jobs.

Their country, their rules