Anyone know what is his medical exception?
The burden of proof is not on the Australian authorities to prove that something is fake.
(He attended other events apart from that photoshoot btw)
Australia is their country, they can let him in if they want, or revoke any permission previously granted at any later stage. Djokovic's predicament and legal standing comes down to what is known in legal terminology as "tough sh1t"
again - nothing to do with exemption reason put out, found a week later, wouldn't have prevented entry so no motivation for a lie there, Australians haven't even brought it up in submissions or statements because it's not considered substantive by them
all covered off in posts already
he broke the isolation rules on the sports photoshoot - shouldn't have done that.
can't argue that he wasn't wrong there
but that is not pertinent to the Australian debacle - that was weeks before he came to Australia and in Serbia
trying to frame it as "fooked either way" has been done to death already
he was wrong there
that's it
the test has not been proven to be fake (despite proved bullshit Der Spiegel stories etc) and the Australians have accepted is as genuine
lack of proof is a visa error so the authorities were correct.
that has proved to be rubbish and the government conceded the same since by agreeing that he had a valid exemption on arrival and have abandoned that track completely
that's just the story put out "proof of exemption" because they couldn't think of what else to stop him on
first they put out that it was a visa error then changed to proof of exemption then also that oh he only had one piece of proof - yes you only get one positive pcr test when you do a test.
the judge also made the comment on the process that Djokovic followed and the proof
"what more could this mad have done"
Djokovic was screwed over
as said he would never have been going near Australia except him meeting the requirements and being told how the process works (as the bloody PM said in the quotes)
anyway I've made my position clear on this - little point in going on in my view
He either produced fake or misleading test results or else blatantly broke isolation rules where he was. Which do you think is a better situation?
they stopped him because they became suspicious of his claims and the evidence to support his exemption was insufficient.
others got through because they provided sufficient evidence that they met the requirements.
if that was the case Djokovic would be long gone but he's not is he (even if likely not to be able to do much about that law)
but great work on just ignoring the obvious truth that he was targeted and screwed over
him or the others never would have come near Australia if they hadn't been given exemptions
then the process was just torn up for politics
Glasso, it's like if I have a party and you arrive and I tell you to get out of my house. I don't need to give you a reason. You have no entitlement to be there once I tell you to get out. It's tough sh1t.
none of this was known at the initial stage and didn't come out until later and for the nth time the 14 day travel thing is not a big smoking gun - the government didn't even reference it and there is no motivation to lie about that as it's not something that would prevent entry
the point is that the original "stopping" was purely political and a spurious "no proof" of exemption reason picked for cancelling visa (which later the government conceded themselves was rubbish)
they stopped him due to political motives due to media interest in him coming on the exemption - and tried to make it up as they went along
the other people getting in ahead on exact same basis shows that
also as shown by the original "reason" being abandoned for the nuclear 113c law and the stuff in that age article linked
Now you maintain this is just out of spite and that they have no issue at all over his paperwork or his actions when realistically they have very valid concerns given that he lied on his travel declaration and took the absolute piss meeting people while having covid or the alternative is that his pcr result is manufactured. The Aussie government don't know and cannot know what the real situation is and as such he should not be granted access for a whole range of reasons from public health to general public interest.
The ministers clause 113 (c) would appear to be a very valid method of ensuring he is not granted access.
You can argue all day long that he had no reason to lie or that the Australians have no issue with his paperwork whatsoever but the reality is that they have issue with him, he has attempted to walk all over their immigration system using lie on top of lie so they don't want him in the country. I would 100 percent agree with them.
I believe you personally had dealings with Australian immigration where an error was easily sorted. That only confirms that they are more than fair if you are straight up with them - the opposite of what Djokovic has been.
When they see someone bullshitting, they send them home by return flight.
How many other people did or did not get an exemption has no relevance. It is up to the Australian authorities to decide their conditions for allowing or denying entry.
Assuming he travelled on a Serbian passport, the Serbian government can take it up with the Aussies at a diplomatic level if they so wish. But they have no authority to dictate what can an cannot be done. The person himself also has no authority to do anything similar.
yeah, he lied to the immigration authorities and got caught out later on, the authorities being suspicious before hand hence the original detention.
People trying to defend Djokovic and who believe he's on the level, take a second to consider this.
Previous infection isn't grounds for a vaccine exemption. Hundreds of millions of people have had Covid and vaccines. Unless there's something else in his medical history, Djokovic has no grounds for a vaccine exemption.
However, you cannot get a vaccine for four weeks after you test positive for Covid.
Testing positive on 16th December allowed Djokovic to say he couldn't be vaccinated ahead of the tournament. A week earlier, he couldn't have claimed that. A week later and he'd be arriving into Australia a day or two before the tournament, plus it would be obvious he had no intention of being vaxxed.
So not only did he contract Covid at a convenient time, he did so at THE MOST convenient time possible.
I mean, it's fishy at best.
Yeah, I know what you mean. I'm the same with all forms of social etiquette, actually.......i love slamming doors in people's faces, I mean standing there holding the door like a spanner, who'd do something so ludicrous and idiotic. Looks stupid too.
as said 3 other people got into Australia ahead of Djokovic no problem using the same exemption. more people applied also.
while Djokovic was in the air on his last leg to Australia the actual prime minister of Australia described very clearly how the exemptions work (and basically how they worked in the case of the people who got in ahead of him)
Asked whether the world No. 1 had received an exemption, Mr Morrison said on January 5: “Well, that is a matter for the Victorian government. They have provided him with an exemption to come to Australia, and so we then act in accordance with that decision … That’s how it works. States provide exemptions for people to enter on those bases.”
So he very clearly outlined this.
Then Djokovic arrives and the Australian government (due to some media chat about Djokovic coming over on the exemption) decides to exempt the exemption in his case
They (government) stopped him on the basis that he didn't have enough proof for his exemption and cancelled his visa and kicked all this off
there was nothing about the Serbia social media stuff at that time - that came much later so at the point in time the government went out to get him for political gain it's not in the picture
Now the government have conceded that he HAD a valid medical exemption on arrival but are using a law 113(c) that is a law that denies natural justice - so unlikely to be overcome. basically it's a "I said so and there is no comeback" type law
Having a visa would not over-ride other immigration responsibilities. Which include the requirements to be vaccinated or have a medical exemption. Australia is a sovereign country and can decide its own rules however it sees fit.
Additionally, one might reasonably suspect that, if it were found that an individual who happens to be very famous, submitted paperwork for an exemption that he was suffering from a highly contagious disease on day X, yet his social media was plastered with photos of that same person flying around the world and attending loads of different events, that it might arouse some suspicions that maybe the paperwork wasn't actually accurate and warranted further investigation.
Total and utter and breathtaking bullshyt.
you're conflating and mixing things up.
it's a medical exemption, it's not a visa.
maybe that is the source of the confusion here.
I'd consider myself well travelled but that has nothing to do with anything except your insinuation that I haven't.
You haven't traveled much or experienced the world if you think that there would be absolutely no requirements.
I think I might move to Australia. I won't bother with a visa. Australian citizens don't need a visa to live there. Even though, based on your own legal advice, I now expect there to be no requirements or conditions at the border, just in case they ask, I'll have a note from me ma saying I am an Australian citizen and sure they'll let me in 😉
One might hypothetically have imagined that one possible condition to avail of such a medical exemption would be to have legitimate proof of same. But as per Glasso immigration advice, he wouldn't even need that .... or a note from his ma
What is not disputed is that there were lies on his immigration form.
shockingly the finest legal minds working for the government or the minister have never brought up these future conditions on the exemption given on historical criteria in their argumentation and neither has any news outlet
I'm taking that as a given that a) because they don't exist or b) if they do it's completely not relevant but I'd put my money on a)
Djokovic was awarded the medical exemption because he provided proof of a recent covid infection
the only possible future exclusion to this would be if he went back in time and didn't get Covid.
I think the only fantasy here is whatever obsession is in your own head.
There are always conditions attached to any form or border crossing. A common one being that you do not give false information.
Others and Djokovic were granted a medical exemption on the basis of proof provided against the criteria
The Australian Government admitted yesterday that Djokovic had a valid medical exemption on arrival to Australia even though claimed lack of proof for same was their reason for cancelling the visa on arrival last week
The exemption is provided on the basis of providing historical proof, which he did. The exemption was granted.
Trying to construct a fantasy narrative about never-before mentioned anywhere ever possible conditions about future actions in addition to the historical proof required is utterly pointless
What am I making up?
The man received, or availed of, an exemption. I asked you whether you knew if there were any conditions attached to same.
From your response, we can assume that the answer is "no". You don't know.
This thread is supposed to be about Djocovic, not an imaginary armed conflict between Serbia and Australia. Referencing the UN's roll in the Balkans war is a bit too far removed from the original thread don't u think?
no you're just making that up
the medical exemption, which 3 other people also got in respect of the Australian Open (and they were let in no problem to Australia using it) was about an exemption to vaccination
As yesterday the Australian immigration minister Hawke himself conceded that Djokovic did in fact have a valid medical exemption that would fairly effectively cover that off (despite the fact that Australia last week cancelled his visa claiming that he did not have proof for this exemption but now they are arguing different reasons)
you should take a look at this to get a better idea
Didn't your man apply for, and receive, some special exemption.
Do you know what the conditions for that exemption were? It would be assumed that there were some additional conditions that would not apply to regular visitors in the regular previous non-Covid world.
One would suspect that some restrictions on his movements and travelling would form part of those special conditions that came along with the already preferential treatment afforded to him.
You're oversimplifying it. All these ethnic groups coexisted happily in Yugoslavia. They had their differences and the country was a bit of a tapestry but they weren't at each other's throats. You have ethnic differences in a lot of countries. In The Netherlands, Hollanders, Frieslanders and Lumburgers are always taking the piss out of each other and some plain hate each other. You have similar splits in Belgium and Germany and Baltic states. The whole Balkan War was stoked up from outside to smash to piece a natural Russian ally that was Yugoslavia. Read some books by the likes of Misha Gleny etc., for a deeper understanding rather than the stuff you get in the tabloids.
oh dear
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