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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭daydorunrun


    My in laws have been psychological damaged by these people. They have hung on every word and have stopped living and become reclusive. Now the only people they will believe that things are getting better and an end is possibly in sight are these same hacks. Pr|cks.

    “You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.” Homer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 828 ✭✭✭Hey boy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,098 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    If you do the GNI comparison, Ireland has come through the pandemic as one of the top of the OECD:

    National income - Gross national income - OECD Data

    UK had an awful time (likely Brexit related), Denmark had growth in 2020 whereas Sweden was flat. Again, this is one of the reasons why everything is being done cautiously, compared to most economies, Ireland has been in rude health. It also means whatever euro zone stimulus is put in place post pandemic, Ireland will be in a great position to take advantage.

    (of course, government and budgetary policy affects these numbers greatly as well, maybe the self-committed hari-kari of Brexit by the UK has driven our growth).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,098 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Again, complete revisionism, multiple surgeries were being cancelled due to pressure on the system, a disproportionate amount of that pressure from the unvaccinated, this has been repeated in most countries. You've been given the figures multiple times, it has to be complete blinkers at this stage that's driving your narrative.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,098 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Most opinion polls support the current measures and they enjoy opposition support for them, having an election or referendum on them would be pointless, the election would be fought on every other policy and no one has said what the referendum would be on, adding so they can implement passes (that's already there, so why a referendum?) a referendum that they can't use passes when every party already supports them? Why would the Dail ever vote for that, it's a complete waste of time.



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  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    2013 wants it’s talking point on Irish GDP back.

    The “tax haven” sector is the fastest growing area of government revenue, by far. Not to mentions the taxes paid by hundreds of thousands of employees of these “tax haven operations” and those that service them are paid way above average



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    No. Post vaccine, procedures and surgeries were being cancelled due to fear of pressure on the system - pressure above what was accepted for the past decade that never materialised, post-vaccine - and because of covid protocols in hospitals.

    There is a disproportionate number in hospitals unvaccinated but it is much smaller than reported, and lower here than in other countries that had fewer vaccine and booster uptakes.. and based on our own governments manipulation of that information, I’d expect other countries’ data to be inflated. The hospitals should be coping as they did in 2019 (not good enough and too much pressure on them, but that’s not on Covid post-vaccine).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,133 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Are you trying to suggest that all corporation tax is from brass plate operations?

    In the event that you are not suggesting this, please provide your statistical source for the claim that out of all corporation tax collected, the fastest growing revenues are that element from tax sheltered entities?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    So you’re stating that the Covid Certs are here to stay? Without any mandate for them? The election occurred before the pandemic. If Covid Certs are intended on staying, they need to go to the people one way or the other. Also your declaration of ‘most people’ supporting them doesn’t wash. They’re completely unscientific & do not stop Covid spreading. Why would people want to accept their participation in society being conditional on a QR code the Government / EU can turn off at any moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,098 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    What referendum question would be asked? Opinion polling is strongly in favour of the measures and the opposition support the measures, which party would you vote for to change this? Any election would be about housing, taxes and the economy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,098 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Again, revisionism, just a few short weeks ago procedures were being cancelled because of pressure on the system, a lot of that pressure coming from unvaccinated patients.

    I've no doubt Omicron will change those figures going forward but that doesn't rewrite the past problems, the data is clear as day from the CSO.

    I've no doubt we'll have a bunch of people trying to paint things with Omicron are as they were with Delta, that is not the case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 442 ✭✭Spiderman0081


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    I do notice something about Sweden alright. (Remember, these are humans dying)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 95 ✭✭Mrtm17




  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No, I am trying to suggest the brass plate operations are no longer the driver of gdp growth. They exist, they influence or overall gdp, but they are no longer a sector in growth on Ireland



  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Can you include Norway Finland and Denmark? You know, the 3 countries most similar to Sweden by far



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 442 ✭✭Spiderman0081




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,333 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Biggest take away from this us that 5 thousand halfwits thought it a good idea to upload meaningless results.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,686 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    You'll have to explain why they are meaningless and why these people are half wits



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,532 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    I wouldn't use that language but since the isolation advice is all available on the govt websites, what is to be gained by reporting a positive antigen?

    Nothing, IMO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,686 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    It's not all about individual gain, there's a civic duty element how's. The statistics are important for public health monitoring the wave.

    Logging it doesn't cost anything. It is highly insulting to call people half wits who are simply trying to do the right thing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,532 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Why are the numbers important for public health monitoring?

    We haven't had accurate case numbers for weeks and it doesn't seem to have affected anything.

    If prevalence tracking was important we'd be doing random testing like the ONS is in the UK. We are not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,992 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    947 in hospital at 8pm. Up 7 from 8am this morning (fairly incredible for a Saturday) and 40 from last night.

    89 in ICU, up 6 from yesterday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,635 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Compared to 937 last Saturday night. We've pretty much peaked on hospital numbers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭cuttingtimber22


    We are definitely through the peak on cases and hospital numbers. Lots to be encouraged about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 730 ✭✭✭cheezums


    interesting to see what political maneuvering will happen as this thing winds down. you could see leo trying to distance FG from the harsher restrictions and timelines over the last two years and try to show a contrast between the early FG period before the coalition. maybe even some strategic leaks over disagreements we weren't privy too. of course SF are too strong right now so it would be pointless, unless they want to go back into opposition for a while and let SF have a go in hopes they will be a shambles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    So because your opinion is that opinion polls are ‘strongly in favour’ of these Certs - there should be no question of their use into the future. That’s an interesting view of democracy. You’re basically approving of the indefinite stripping of human rights off a number of people in Ireland based on their current or future vaccination status, as these certs expire if you don’t keep lining up for ‘boosters’. You know all this and are deliberately trying to play down what this means.

    Funny that England and even Wales are dropping them except for larger events. Wonder how long it will take for NI to follow.



  • Posts: 563 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No, no. We shouldn't count any of that. It's not real. You should put that money straight in the bin if it's not earned by mining potatoes. As they say in places without large FDI inflows, it's all a myth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,098 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    I think you know you're lost when you start cherry picking data like that :) (and flagging the comparisons you know make your point worthless doesn't make your point less worthless).

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    And again, Sweden have also done worse economically than Ireland through all this, so if anything, they've become an example of "what not to do" along with the UK. I'm keeping to the 2020 data as Sweden mostly abandoned their herd immunity plans by 2021 and their data looks very similar to other countries since the vaccine rollout began (feel free to look at it though, you'll see Germany spiking high due to their low vax rate, for example).

    You do have Belgium's mismanagement of care homes (as you highlighted) and the early humanitarian disasters in Italy and Spain which skews data as it's cumulative, if you take a look at the week by week data, you can see the issue that happened with the herd immunity attempts (I mean, the UK had a fairly OK 2020 once they abandoned Sweden's approach).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,098 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    We live in a representative democracy, as do most countries (California and Switzerland are 2 examples of direct democracies where the people can vote on multiple initiatives).

    But look, follow your logic through, what referendum question would you ask?

    What does holding a general election do when the issues at the top of voters minds are everything but the COVID certs? If there was an election tomorrow, which party would you vote for to enact your policies around COVID certificates?

    You're on a discussion forum, discuss what the consequences of your plan of action would be? (I mean, from an opinion poll perspective, they would pass by a landslide greater than almost all previous referenda, is that what you really want?).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭Danye


    It’s comical how self administered antigen tests are now included in our daily covid figures when previously, NPHET described these tests as “Snake oil”

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    Comical.



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