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Djokovic

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BurgerFace


    He didn't follow the rules.

    If you don't follow the rules then you must answer for not following the rules.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭kerry_man15


    He hasn't had his visa cancelled for breaking any laws though....it was cancelled because they think it'll promote ant-vaccination if he stays!!

    This government (Liberal party) has members in it who are openly anti-vaccination ie George Christensen (who compared vaccine mandates to apartheid but the government gave us all the 'nothing to see here' treatment over that! If that's their reasoning for cancelling Novac's visa then Christensen has to be stood down too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭growleaves


    I have been a big fan of Djokovic for years, but I like all tennis players more or less.

    I also am against the pressure placed on unvaccinated people in general, and I also have little regard for the Australian authorities since the beginning of covid - particularly in Victoria!

    So it's the perfect storm for me.

    However I accept Djokovic made too many errors of judgement which don't stand up to scrutiny. I don't expect him to be allowed to play now.

    But like I said upthread they should have made it easy for him to get in in the first place and relaxed their harsh, unbearable, failed and unjustifiable rules - for everyone, including people who want to see their dying parents.

    Everyone who supported pandemic restrictions seems to feel they have to double-down on the worst myopic bureaucratic regulations separating families from each other.

    Maybe if some disobedient tennis player gets a taste of how unfair it is it it'll salve everyone's conscience for making people miss their parent's funerals?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,917 ✭✭✭GM228




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,917 ✭✭✭GM228


    Full hearing 09.30 AEDT Sunday morning which is 22.30 tomorrow night our time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,715 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Why would the minister's legal team be against a full hearing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 433 ✭✭redlad12


    Glasso you know at this stage Djokovic and his team has fucked up a few times , the Australians more but he really can't have too many complaints if he doesn't get to play. I hope he does because it will be a better a tournament , **** it. But I don't think he's any rights any more with this tournament. Let's see what happens!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,917 ✭✭✭GM228


    Because it would bypass a level of appeal.

    It's potentially in Novak's favour, otherwise would prolong things even more if he loses and then appeals to a full bench, Monday is fast approaching!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    But was he not given an exemption, along with some conditions, which was already a special exception made for him, but even then still took the pi$s?


    I mean he was being allowed in even without the vaccine just as long as he played ball. And the conditions don't seem to have been that onerous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,917 ✭✭✭GM228


    He hasn't had his visa cancelled for breaking any laws though....it was cancelled because they think it'll promote ant-vaccination if he stays!!

    Also, and potentially more importantly because there was a false declaration on his Travel Declaration and the fact he ignored isolation rules after testing positive last month and then did an interview with a journalist.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BurgerFace


    There are RULES.

    We must ALL follow these RULES.

    Novak broke these rules.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,806 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    That's how visas for international travel work



  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Where is he staying between now and the hearing? In detention?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,645 ✭✭✭Corben Dallas


    He definitely will not be playing in the Aussie Open... very much looks like this from the way the legal case is going.

    In fact he will be lucky he doesn't jeopardize he chances of playing in the Aussie Open for the next 3 years.

    He (and/ or his team) deliberately made false declarations on his Visa application, claiming he was exempt cause he had caught Covid in Dec (which would have increased his immune defenses) >>>( this is only an exemption for Australian nationals). Plus had traveled to Spain ( no international travel is allowed for 14 days before traveling to Oz).

    Turns out he had an Interview with a journalist from L'Equipe and it seems he handed out trophies to kids in Serbia all while he should have been isolating having tested positive days earlier.

    Its this that really annoys me most of all, it demonstrates that he doesn't give a flying F about spreading a highly dangerous virus to anyone who crosses his path.

    He should be deported asap.

    -------------------------------------------

    He will now be known as NoVaxx Covid Jock. 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,033 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Untitled Image

    Novak v The Australian Government



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BurgerFace




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭LillySV


    He’s an absolute selfish **** who doesn’t give a flying fuk about anyone else … kick him out and good riddance to him… hope his career is fuct after this



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,066 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Why is Djokovic appealing? If he wins they'll just kick him out over the lies on his application.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭kerry_man15


    No...this isn't about his travel declaration at all...From the Sydney Morning Herald...

    https://www.smh.com.au/sport/australia-declares-djokovic-a-risk-to-civil-order-and-public-health-20220114-p59oex.html

    "The furious debate that had engulfed Djokovic for the past 10 days – whether a recent bout of COVID-19 provided him with a genuine exemption to travel to Australia without being vaccinated – has been abandoned by the government without Mr Hawke even reading Djokovic’s extensive submissions on the question.

    Instead, the case is now headed to the Federal Court and will be argued on dramatically new grounds at a public hearing before Justice David O’Callaghan at 10.15am Saturday.

    Mr Hawke’s detailed reasons for his decision to cancel Djokovic’s visa for a second time since his arrival in Australia late on January 5, revealed by this masthead, portray the nine-time Australian Open winner as a menace to both public health and public order."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 156 ✭✭Barrita


    That's absolutely outrageous if true. So it's not even about the Spain/Form fandango.

    They simply don't like the cut of his jib?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭kerry_man15


    Exactly....and the gross hypocrisy is that they have members of their own government who have been very vocal promoting anti-vaccine sentiment.

    I can't see how they can win on this ground seeing as they have not taken similar measures against other unvaccinated people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,917 ✭✭✭GM228


    If the Sydney Morning Herald actually read the document they quote they would see that the false declaration on his Travel Declaration and the fact he ignored isolation rules after testing positive last month and then did an interview with a journalist were also factors considered when issuing the 113C(3) order, yes there is the heavy point made about anti vaccination, but it's not the only point considered.

    For anyone interested here are the official court documents:-

    https://www.fedcourt.gov.au/services/access-to-files-and-transcripts/online-files/djokovic/filed-documents/Sealed-Affidavit-Bannister-1512022.pdf

    The 113C(3 ) detailed letter is from around page 13 onwards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,917 ✭✭✭GM228


    "I can't see how they can win on this ground seeing as they have not taken similar measures against other unvaccinated people"

    What other people have been in the same situation that they failed to revoke their visa?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    I'm pretty sure he'll automatically be banned from entering Australia for 3 years now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85 ✭✭Realtai


    If you think the pro-Djokovic posters on this thread are bad, you should see the ones on Twitter.

    The whole lot of them need to give their head a wobble!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,555 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    Serbs screaming persecution because a tennis player being detained is a touch ironic for me.

    You would think they'd be less keen on slanging that word around



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,160 ✭✭✭sporina


    mayb glasso is NoVacc Jok in disguise.. 😉.. trying convince himself that "he knew nothing about the CONVENIENTLY unticked box" lollllll

    "IT WASN'T ME - IT WAS MY AGENT"...

    i'm knocking great craic outta this.. lol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    No Father, 'tis my money, I just didn't want to fill out the forms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,944 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    They're odd fish the old Serbs.

    The term ultra-nationalism could have been coined for them. Since the Balkan Wars too and the humiliation of Milosevic, Karadzic and Maldic in front a an international tribunal, they have shown an intense sense of national paranoia and ridiculous reactionary behaviour, like the Ultras of Red Star live in every household. Even before that, in longer history, they would have had a sense of grandiose self-importance in the geopolitics of their corner of the World, that most of the time was groundless.

    And so a humiliation of Djokovic really is perceived as an attack on all Serbia, instead of the more accurate perception of a reflected shame, that Ireland would associate with Michelle Smith, for example.

    However, as the saying goes, they will just have to construct a bridge over the Danube and get over it. Anyway, they have Nigel Farage over there to help them through their darkest hour, what more could they need.



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  • Posts: 19,205 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The fact is the Australians didn't make any reference to the the 14 day recent travel box LIE / error in their submissions and statements on cancelling Djokovic's visa the second time

    Informed commentators online don't place significance on it either because it's just not substantive

    as explained if it was declared it wouldn't have stopped Djokovic entering

    so there was no actual reason to lie

    also as explained Djokovic travels very extensively every year and is one of the most prominent sports stars in the world - it's just a fact that Djokovic offloads admin tasks to other people as his job is being good at tennis, being involved in the tennis player's unions and doing other stuff like charity work.

    It might be hard to relate to this for the sort of people concerned about the 10c increase in a bag of popcorn but that's just not the life of Djokovic



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